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Old 10-09-2015, 02:01 PM
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Well unless the amps are intentionally "voiced" differently by mucking with their sonics then one would expect they should be very similar. So many people believe more power will yield a different result whether it's actually there or not, it's the mentality that bigger has to be better.

Most compaines don't advertise that amp x at 600 watts is better than amp y at 300 watts, it's the consumer that wants to believe this.

There are compaines like Bryston for example that publicly state the only change as you go up the wattage ladder is just that, the wattage, the amp's signature sound reamins the same so you should pick the amp you want based on your needs or budget.
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Old 10-09-2015, 02:16 PM
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Well unless the amps are intentionally "voiced" differently by mucking with their sonics then one would expect they should be very similar. So many people believe more power will yield a different result whether it's actually there or not, it's the mentality that bigger has to be better.

Most compaines don't advertise that amp x at 600 watts is better than amp y at 300 watts, it's the consumer that wants to believe this.

There are compaines like Bryston for example that publicly state the only change as you go up the wattage ladder is just that, the wattage, the amp's signature sound reamins the same so you should pick the amp you want based on your needs or budget.
I guess this also applies to speaker wire and RCA cables....Is there a sound difference between speaker wire costing over thousand of dollars vs speaker wire that is less than $1 per foot in the same wire thickness?
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I guess this also applies to speaker wire and RCA cables....Is there a sound difference between speaker wire costing over thousand of dollars vs speaker wire that is less than $1 per foot in the same wire thickness?
Ohhh boy....do you really wanna open that can of worms....
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Ohhh boy....do you really wanna open that can of worms....
..not really
It's the biggest unsolved mysteries of the Audio World..
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I guess this also applies to speaker wire and RCA cables....Is there a sound difference between speaker wire costing over thousand of dollars vs speaker wire that is less than $1 per foot in the same wire thickness?
I suppose to a degree as long as you are talking same construction materials and methods and the only difference is the cable gauge. Once you start comparing different manufacturers that use different materials, etc. it becomes more of a grey area and in some cases apples to oranges.

For amps as long the design is the same and the wattage stays the same then the one with the higher wattage is just that, capable of more output so it should sound the same. There can be a caveat here, for example Bryston amps run there 1st few percentage of watts in Class A then switch over to AB, I think it's between 5% and 10% so at lower volumes for example a 28B may be running in Class A where say a 3B or 4B would be in AB mode at the same wattage so there can be audible differences because of that. Once both are in AB at a given wattage then there should be little to no difference.

Now if you are comparing amps from a manufacturer that are clearly different designs then like SS to tube it's apples to oranges as far as I'm concerned and there ma very well be differences.
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Old 09-27-2021, 01:04 PM
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Have you thought about going with a bookshelf speakers like the B&W 805D and pair it with a high quality sub like JL F or E series. I use to have a floor standing speakers (683) and recently switched to a 2 way bookshelf speakers with the sub and actually prefer the sound quality over the floorstanding. My room size is 13x17 with 8 feet ceiling.
What do you think?
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Old 09-28-2021, 06:19 PM
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What do you think?
Well, if the comparison is a 683 to an 805 plus sub, the 805 would absolutely mop the floor with the 683 (or something in the 700 Series).

805 with sub vs 804, I would expect the 805 to be best. 805 with sub vs 804 with sub, I would expect the 804 to prevail.

On subs--I would go with one of the B&W subs such as my DB3D. Virtually instant and seamless integration with the iPhone app
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On subs--I would go with one of the B&W subs such as my DB3D
Question about DB3D, please. When connected with Left and Right RCAs, does sub work in stereo mode? Does it produce independent left-right stereo bass by each left and right drivers - or does it combine stereo signals input into one output, and drives move symmetrically?
Asking because my current setup is 2.2 with two left-right ASW 10CM subs. Thinking to upgrade subs, can't decide taking one DB3D or pair of DB4S
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Old 10-18-2021, 05:06 PM
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Question about DB3D, please. When connected with Left and Right RCAs, does sub work in stereo mode? Does it produce independent left-right stereo bass by each left and right drivers - or does it combine stereo signals input into one output, and drives move symmetrically?
Asking because my current setup is 2.2 with two left-right ASW 10CM subs. Thinking to upgrade subs, can't decide taking one DB3D or pair of DB4S
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The drivers move symmetrically. I have never tried 2 subs, so I don't know which would be best, but one DB3D has been terrific and easy for me. My dealer encourages one better sub compared to two lesser subs, but I know many on this forum are happy with 2.
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