New Kleos SL on the Table

[Glisse]

Originally Posted by kleinbje

Randy Untwist adds antiskate, antiskate pulls the tonearm toward center correct? I already have too much force towards the center.

As the last two posters have said, you are going in the wrong direction as per the instructions posted by Myles. You need to be relaxing the coil in the wire.

But are you sure this is an anti-skate issue? The current Lyra cartridges all ride low - very low. There is hardly any clearance between the stylus tip and the bottom of the cartridge. If the rice paper, or whatever it is, is even slightly deformed, it can bottom out. And the cartridge will skip. Mine was doing this.

When you first lower the cartridge, the compliance will move the cantilever up a little, and this is when it is most like to bottom out. Get down on the same plane with a torch and see if this is happening. Just a thought.

[Myles B. Astor]

Originally Posted by Glisse

As the last two posters have said, you are going in the wrong direction as per the instructions posted by Myles. You need to be relaxing the coil in the wire.

But are you sure this is an anti-skate issue? The current Lyra cartridges all ride low - very low. There is hardly any clearance between the stylus tip and the bottom of the cartridge. If the rice paper, or whatever it is, is even slightly deformed, it can bottom out. And the cartridge will skip. Mine was doing this.

When you first lower the cartridge, the compliance will move the cantilever up a little, and this is when it is most like to bottom out. Get down on the same plane with a torch and see if this is happening. Just a thought.

Hmmmm....that's not what I see with my Atlas nor my Titan i.... And I've seen some low riders like the 47 Labs Miyabi -- or even the old Complement cartridge.

[j3brow]

Originally Posted by Glisse

As the last two posters have said, you are going in the wrong direction as per the instructions posted by Myles. You need to be relaxing the coil in the wire.

But are you sure this is an anti-skate issue? The current Lyra cartridges all ride low - very low. There is hardly any clearance between the stylus tip and the bottom of the cartridge. If the rice paper, or whatever it is, is even slightly deformed, it can bottom out. And the cartridge will skip. Mine was doing this.

When you first lower the cartridge, the compliance will move the cantilever up a little, and this is when it is most like to bottom out. Get down on the same plane with a torch and see if this is happening. Just a thought.

I was told the exact same thing by someone who sets up turntables for a living when I inquired about putting a Kleos on my VPI 10.5i --- low low rider -- at least with VPI per his direct experience with a scoutmaster. It's a great sounding combination, VPI and Lyra, by all reports.

[Glisse]

Originally Posted by Myles B. Astor

Hmmmm....that's not what I see with my Atlas nor my Titan i.... And I've seen some low riders like the 47 Labs Miyabi -- or even the old Complement cartridge.

I have not seen either an Atlas or a Titan - they are way above my pay grade

But the basic geometry seemed similar in photos.

Perhaps the Atlas and Titan operate on a higher plane than my lowly Delos and (not SL) Kleos

[kleinbje]

mine is about 3-4mm off of the record. The paper doesn't touch the record at all.

[kleinbje]

Well, I was readjusting the VTA, bringing the back end up 2 turns, and now it seems to cue without racing in, strange huh. This thing is amazing! Got an original mint pressing of LIVE EVIL and it is an insanely large sounstage, mind blowing. Still having trouble figuring out the loading with my Manley Chinook phono pre and wondering if I should try some damping fluid. I think the range of 115-266 ohms is best to my ear, but their each different with their own pluses and minuses. I have 125pF of capacitance in my cable.
Coil: 6 -N high-purity copper, 2.7ohms internal impedance
Output voltage: 0.25mV@5cm/sec. (CBS test record, other test records may alter results)
Compliance: Approx. 12×10 cm/dyne at 100Hz

[hhwilson99]

Kleos in my system has proven over time that it has the consistent rightness to reveal what's in there. It appears to be the near perfect balance. Damn revealing.

[BillK]

I've an Atlas on a VPI SSM with Classic 3 arm and the Atlas rides very, very low.