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Old 03-11-2013, 12:41 AM
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Yes, C15 - 808.5 source difference is that you are still using your C15 clock with all it's imperfections that your DAC needs to buffer and clean up and reclock to the best of its ability. When using the 808.5 as a source it will have much lower noise and better clocks than a computer to begin with thus making the DAC job much easier which results in the usual audiophilia improvements.

I would say there are no source clock immune DAC's, every DAC will benefit from having the S/PDIF or AES/EBU dinner served from the 808.5 which is not a noisy computer.

And the 808.5 pushes this even lower as the switched powersupply is left behind and a real heavy-duty linear transformer takes its place. Also the jitter and phase noise is vastly (40%) improved upon in the new .5 design.

Going balanced digital or speakerlink usually means the cable becomes less important than with s/pdif RCA connections which are prone to impedance mismatches and the fact of being single ended. In other words, one less thing to worry about by going balanced digital
Could I do the same with something cheaper than the 808.3?! Do any of the other cores or zones do the same?
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:19 AM
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818, 808.3, MS600, MS200 are all sooloos audio endpoints without noisy PC components.

818 does have a linear PSU.

I think I know what you want to achieve, but I'm not sure an MS600+DAC of choice will consistently outperform an upgraded 808.5 with internal DAC's. I would not place any high bets on it.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:43 AM
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818, 808.3, MS600, MS200 are all sooloos audio endpoints without noisy PC components.

818 does have a linear PSU.

I think I know what you want to achieve, but I'm not sure an MS600+DAC of choice will consistently outperform an upgraded 808.5 with internal DAC's. I would not place any high bets on it.
On red book I think you're right. On high res?
I can think of only a few discs that could give the meridian a run for its money on RB.
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Old 03-12-2013, 07:52 AM
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Well, 808.5 is certainly HW capable of 24/192 in analog setup. ID41 sooloos audio endpoint card is 24/192 HW capable. The USB input is 24/192 native.

I suspect we will see 24/192 native output enablement for sooloos servers this spring/summer. Until then they are stored in 24/192 but distributed to sooloos audio endpoints in 24/96.

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Well, 808.5 is certainly HW capable of 24/192 in analog setup. ID41 sooloos audio endpoint card is 24/192 HW capable. The USB input is 24/192 native.

I suspect we will see 24/192 native output enablement for sooloos servers this spring/summer. Until then they are stored in 24/192 but distributed to sooloos audio endpoints in 24/96.
I seem to remember Bob saying that it is pointless going above 96khz
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:13 AM
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Well the 24/192 "train" is coming wether we like it or not. In practical listening tests he have a point. But I think he also says to use the best possible recording bit depth available.

Either way, 24/192 will happen.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:16 PM
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In my Sooloos systems (all s/pdif out into dac) from worst to best:

3. C10L
2. MS600
1. 818/ID41 with latest firmware. This is so far superior to the above Sooloos components that they are not even a consideration for a primary system. (FYI this is a v1 818 as I have not upgraded to v2.)

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Old 03-14-2013, 05:35 PM
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Well to be fair, the MS600 cost quite a bit less than an 818v1. It's G-series vs Reference 800 series which have been refined in several products, 808.3 then 808.4 Anniversary, then 818v1 and next gen 808.5/818v2/861v8.
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I seem to remember Bob saying that it is pointless going above 96khz
I'm going to guess you're wrong there, as all the PONO stuff is 24/192. I've had numerous discussions with Bob over the years, and I don't recall him ever saying anything like that. Many of the DVD-a's (and he pretty much developed that format) were 24/192 as well.
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Will Meridian upgrade Sooloos to full 24/192 output?
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