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The “X Files” They’re out there |
View Poll Results: Are we alone in the universe? | |||
We are alone in the Universe as far as intelligent life goes | 7 | 9.33% | |
We are not alone but have not been in contact with intelligent life yet | 27 | 36.00% | |
We are not alone and we have visitors but have not been in contact yet | 13 | 17.33% | |
We are not alone and we have been contacted but it is not public knowledge | 28 | 37.33% | |
Voters: 75. You may not vote on this poll |
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Point taken Dan. I’ll rein this in before it gets away too far.
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I’m sure something else exists probably on an imaginative scale, but where?
Then comes the assumption other forms of life are smarter than humans, or is that what we choice to believe.? We fly around within our atmosphere and in space going further and further, we also possess enough armament to destroy the world if we wanted from or below the oceans surface aside from the ability to communicate and supply ourselves with the basics to live. |
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I think you mean your space probes/telescopes going further and further. We've stood on the moon. Hooray.
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I expect that what is being developed underground for a limited amount of humans would blow our minds.
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Not sure what the point of it is. I could never live in a bunker for all the years it would take for a major cataclysm or nuclear fallout to dissipate. Who wants to live in a bunker for 10 years or longer and to surface to what eventually? That's not to mention one would need to get to it in a hurry in all probability which may or may not be possible. Last edited by PHC1; 05-29-2019 at 06:41 PM. |
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With the amount of time I seem to spend listening to music and on these sites it may not be all that bad.I am glad that I will never find out.Cheers
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My statistical and intellectual belief is choice #4--we are not alone and we have been contacted but it isn't public knowledge.
Choice #2 and #3 are also plausible. Choice #1 is absolutely ridiculous. With an estimated 10^24 stars in the observable universe, even if life is present on one out of every trillion (10^12) star systems, that still leaves room for a trillion (10^12) star systems with life. It is UNFATHOMABLE that we are alone. |
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https://perihelionsf.com/1611/article_1.htm sorry but (that's NOT a pun) I couldn't resist this one. |
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OK fine... I'll take the bait.. :)
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Because the evidence (and therefor the truth) says we are indeed alone in the universe. |
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Saying that we are unique because we have no empirical evidence of any other life out there is akin to a man standing in the middle of the desert saying I don't see anyone else, therefore I must be the only one in existence when there is a city beyond his line of sight... We've only recently even glimpsed outside our own galaxy... It wasn't long ago we thought the Milky Way was the ONLY galaxy... Let's not jump to conclusions or get ahead of ourselves here? Just because we have not yet officially discovered other life also does not mean there is NO other life. It's all speculative at best. Odds are definitely in favor of other intelligent life out there. Unless of course you are implying that we are special or unique based on alternate theories of "creation" or "simulated reality"? Let's stick to the basics here without evoking those alternative theories. I would have to agree that we are "intentional" and some scientists have alluded to as much, saying that the chances of life happening by random chance is akin to a tornado going through a junkyard full of airplane parts and at the end there is a brand new Boeing 747 standing fully assembled... This however always has to be resolved further and to resolve it further means asking the ultimate question of who created us? Depending on which way you look at it... If it was aliens, surely they were created by someone else, if we are living in a simulated reality, then who is the programmer, who created that programmer, etc until you ultimately get to the "supreme being". That however has religious overtones and perhaps that is the reality, we simply can not or at least do not yet have empirical evidence of that either. As to your comments about parrots and various ages. We are living in a technological age, I think it is rather clear that at this point we have evolved and perhaps even have stopped evolving as far as our brains go but the level of technology we have achieved allows us to continue on with progress and new inventions with the help and aid of such things as computers, powerful software, running simulations that would have taken thousands to millions time slower to calculate by using our "intelligence" without machines. How about Artificial intelligence which clearly eventually be superior to us in every imaginable way? It will pave the way to further technological progress at an even more accelerated pace. Engineers are already blown away when using AI to help them design things and this is only the beginning... Intelligence, education and applied skills are not all the same thing. A rocket scientist would not make a good surgeon, a surgeon would not make a good rocket scientists and neither could do a good enough of a welding job... Like Einstein said, “Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” Linear or exponential measurement of technological progress? Let's see here... Depends on how you look at it. Going from basic stone age tools to the bronze age to the iron age to the rocket age??? Surely you have noticed that our progress has been a snail pace until approximately 150 years ago... We went from taking a bath once a month and using whale oil for light to exploring Mars.... It would be logical to assume no matter the capacity of the brain of any intelligent life, at some point their technology also allows further progress at an accelerated pace and machines or other technology that far exceed the capability of any developed brain. Time actually IS essential here because as I have already mentioned, as soon as we hit the technological age of conductors, electricity, solid state devices, silicone chips, our progress skyrocketed. We are now looking into the quantum computing era! Imagine where we will be in another 1000 years. How about 10,000 or a Million years?? Surely any civilization that has achieved machines that expand on the capability of the brain such as our technology does today, the limit will only be that of the laws of physics and even those can probably be bent? Let's not even go into other differences that might exist between us and extraterrestrial life and their unique abilities that could and probably would differ from ours. If life is so abundant and diverse on our planet, it would be logical to assume one would encounter a diversity on other inhabitable planets where abiogenesis occurred. If they look like reptiles instead of humanoid figures like we are accustomed to, why should that be surprising, that would be their evolution of species with the highest intelligence levels. If they don't walk and fly or swim instead? Who are we to judge if we evolved from chimps? Is that something to be proud of? What if alien life developed from a life form with 8 appendages and 100 fingers and also a tail to lean on for superior balance? Sure, having opposing thumbs is very helpful in the tool age and perhaps it is a necessary component on the way to becoming technologically advanced as the species evolves technologically but still, why should that be a surprise? What if they use their tails or tentacles to achieve the same thing? It is a known fact that the earlier homo sapiens actually had bigger cranial volume. Were they as intelligent as us? Probably so but they did not have "education". Once again, a cave man would not make a great banker but a banker would not make a great hunter and would starve to death... Time is of essence in technological progress once the equivalent of "computing" age is reached. Would we want to bet that our computers today would be the equal of computers 100 years from now? Ridiculous. How about airplanes? No? Cars?What then? Nothing... everything will be superior. A civilization hundreds of thousands or millions of years ahead, given similar computing age achievements would be light years ahead of us across the board. The recent pilot testimony of witnessing a cube encased in a sphere flew that flew between their jet fighters? These objects were there daily for a period of time and present all day long just toying with the pilots? That's earthly technology? Of what country I wonder... Ours? Secret skunk works? Top secret technology? What are they doing taunting pilots to attract the inevitable attention? Lockheed or Boeing engineers just bored and playing around with F-18 Pilots? Me thinks NOT... Last edited by PHC1; 05-30-2019 at 02:00 AM. |
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