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Old 10-27-2018, 07:17 PM
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Hi meltemi,
Thanks for the info, I was wondering whether the 30 watts minimum of the E650 would be enough to get the ProAc D2 'going' sufficiently and not drive the amp into clipping with orchestral crescendos if I'd turned up the gain (every now and then).
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Old 10-28-2018, 02:18 AM
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Under 8 ohm load, the E650 is Class A for the first 30 watts then A/B up to 75 watts.
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Old 10-31-2018, 05:32 PM
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Well said audiolover82. It's clearly evident that the importer is quite happy with his pricing structure and market share in the US. It's also apparent that Accuphase is satisfied with volume of products sold here. Until the expectations of either Accuphase or the importer change, there is no compelling reason to change pricing.

I have owned an E470 and an E600. Both have been superbly crafted and provide excellent performance. I enjoyed both pieces very much.

I personally could not justify the prices of their other gear if I decided to move up the Accuphase food chain. But that's just me. Others on this forum have made that journey and they all seem to be VERY satisfied with their decisions!

Admittedly, Accuphase does not necessarily offer the best value as compared to certain other brands but if one has a problem with the price of Accuphase, there is a whole world of other choices - as you stated!
Glad you enjoyed your Accuphase Journey. I think Accuphase has a more grip on pricing than US Distributor itself. Axiss Audio is also a distributor of Soulution but we don't see any complain on their pricing structure. It's not like Axiss audio decided to pick on Accuphase and jacked up the prices. Accuphase is in high end audio business for long time and I doubt they let any distributors walk all over them and keep extra cash on their pockets.
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Old 11-22-2018, 10:54 AM
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Power should be no issue. If you can afford the E-650, go for it. It is currently one of the very best sounding integrated amps on the market.
If price is an issue, go for an E-480 or even an E-370.

Martin
and what about the difference between an E-470 or E-480 compared to a couple of C-2120/P-4200?

and between a E-650 compared to a couple of C-2120/A-36?

Is it worth the jump?

Having my Focal Utopia Scala v2, that are easy to drive, an integrated may be enough. That's what a very good experienced hifi-dealer told me.

A significant jump would only be there with a C-28x0. Who agrees? Who not?
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Old 11-23-2018, 05:42 PM
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and what about the difference between an E-470 or E-480 compared to a couple of C-2120/P-4200?

and between a E-650 compared to a couple of C-2120/A-36?

Is it worth the jump?

Having my Focal Utopia Scala v2, that are easy to drive, an integrated may be enough. That's what a very good experienced hifi-dealer told me.

A significant jump would only be there with a C-28x0. Who agrees? Who not?
The only ones, who can tell you, are your own ears.

Martin
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Old 11-24-2018, 03:27 AM
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yes sure!
this is absolutely right!
and surely not the reviews in the specialist journals, who are paid to write marvelous reports!
however, the experience of owners is very useful;
so, maybe some other ears have heard a major or a minor difference.
and yes, I fully agree, our ears are all different!
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Old 11-25-2018, 02:08 AM
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Running a Pass Labs XA-30 into ~95 db Paradigm Personas 9H....So loud I have to turn it dow, and I've only seen the meters wiggle...they have NEVER moved ..You amp has lots of power in my world! Efficient speakers rock!!
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Old 11-25-2018, 06:19 PM
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Just seen this discussion and might be able to add a few notes. First, the integrated amps are all great but they do get better as you go from 270 to 370, 470 and 600. Now, the 650 seems to be a big step up from the 600. I have heard the 650 but not on my system. So hard to say how much of a step it is from the 600 but I have been told by somebody who has done the direct comparison, it is a significant step. When Accuphase releases a new product it is always a step up. Sometimes a small, sometimes a big step. However, with all this said, the source is still the most important thing and it is more important to spend a lot of the money there. Even the E270 is already very, very good. Anybody who gets into Accuphase should also be aware that it is all about time coherency. this is where the name Accuphase comes from. So Accuphase can give you a very musical system but it really needs the entire system to be serious about time coherency. Otherwise, the Accuphase will not shine.
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Old 11-26-2018, 11:43 AM
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mblssmp2 , welcome too the Forum
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:00 AM
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thanks mblssmp2
this helps a lot!
and yes, the source is very very important
I always thought that the loudspeaker is the centre, with a good amp
but yes, the source is essential, I know this now, since I have the esoteric k-01x
now I still need an amp to place it between the esoteric and the focal Scala utopia...
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