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Old 08-29-2021, 04:24 PM
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Hi Bart,

My HT processor is similar to your 8802A. Wondering if you can share your insights on setting up the Special Carbon for music and HT applications so they are seamlessly integrated. Thanks.

Hi,

For stereo, I let de RELs kick in at around 35 Hz.
We started testing lower, because my Vivids do have useful output down to 20 Hz, but this gave the best results so far (I might play around a bit more in the future but I'm already very happy).
I thought it would be subtle, but it isn't.
The difference is not only very audible, you can also feel it.

For surround, I let my processor cross over at 40 Hz for the fronts, and 60 Hz for the centre and rears.
40 Hz is the lowest setting in my Marantz.
I still wonder what took me so long to add the subs, because also here, it makes a huge difference. Those lowest 5-10 Hz really are important.

Overall, those 8K were one of my better audio investments!

Hope this helps,
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Old 08-29-2021, 07:13 PM
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I believe the benefit of the 212 is kind of having a "stacked" sub
Exactly, and I believe that would work as such to counter 'nodes' forming in bass, but just my conjecture now. Good luck either way - you can't go wrong
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Old 08-29-2021, 07:15 PM
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Hi,

For stereo, I let de RELs kick in at around 35 Hz.
We started testing lower, because my Vivids do have useful output down to 20 Hz, but this gave the best results so far (I might play around a bit more in the future but I'm already very happy).
I thought it would be subtle, but it isn't.
The difference is not only very audible, you can also feel it.

For surround, I let my processor cross over at 40 Hz for the fronts, and 60 Hz for the centre and rears.
40 Hz is the lowest setting in my Marantz.
I still wonder what took me so long to add the subs, because also here, it makes a huge difference. Those lowest 5-10 Hz really are important.

Overall, those 8K were one of my better audio investments!

Hope this helps,
Bart
Thanks Bart. This is very helpful. I am finishing up my HT/Music room, and once completed, the first thing to add are REL subs
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Old 09-02-2021, 07:02 PM
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My Aidas sound pretty good with support from my 4 fathoms.

I wouldn’t be without them.
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Old 09-04-2021, 11:47 AM
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Earlier this summer, I added a Rythmik Audio sub to my setup. I didn't know what I was missing! It took some time to get it properly set up but what a difference it has made. Unfortunately, I don't have the space for a second one.
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Old 09-05-2021, 09:01 AM
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Good information here. The ability to even out room modes is a strong argument. Early on I did mostly but beginners luck. In a previous, more sound friendly version of our living/reading room, I had two full range speakers (Aerial Scoustics 7T) and two smaller REL subs. The subs were situated behind the listening chairs ( a tip form the JL Audio white paper on sub set-up). This worked phenomenally well. It was the only reasonable set-up and just worked to about 28 Hz. The new set up did not allow subs which moved to the media room and in fact we moved to stand mounters since I could not make two stand mounters work well enough anymore.
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Old 09-06-2021, 10:15 AM
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Occasionally I like to listen to organ music. Very few full range speakers can produce the weight of the organ realistically.

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