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Old 08-19-2021, 02:11 PM
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Colleagues,

I was just wandering by and found this thread, so I'm a bit late but I too have and opinion or two.

1. A" sub" is necessary for music ,even if one has "full range" speakers, primarily because the room modes on low bass. Being able to move the "subs" is to get the best performance from an audio system.

2. 2 is better than 1.

3. Having "subs" frees up the main speakers from large excursions necessary for good low bass and will noticeably clean up the sound at concert volumes, even with fairly large 3 way speakers.

4.I know that many audiophiles enjoy listening to vinyl, and the low frequency's on vinyl are typically rolled into mono beginning around 160 Hz, some higher, some lower.

5. I do not know where Mr. Guttenberg lives, but if it is a 500 square apt. in Queens like my cousin lives in, small speakers might do. But really Steve, a 5 inch woofer for reproducing low bass?

It reminds me of an oft quoted statement by George Orwell;

There are some ideas so idiotic only an intellectual would believe them.

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Old 08-19-2021, 06:07 PM
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Colleagues,

I was just wandering by and found this thread, so I'm a bit late but I too have and opinion or two.

1. A" sub" is necessary for music ,even if one has "full range" speakers, primarily because the room modes on low bass. Being able to move the "subs" is to get the best performance from an audio system.

2. 2 is better than 1.

3. Having "subs" frees up the main speakers from large excursions necessary for good low bass and will noticeably clean up the sound at concert volumes, even with fairly large 3 way speakers.

4.I know that many audiophiles enjoy listening to vinyl, and the low frequency's on vinyl are typically rolled into mono beginning around 160 Hz, some higher, some lower.

5. I do not know where Mr. Guttenberg lives, but if it is a 500 square apt. in Queens like my cousin lives in, small speakers might do. But really Steve, a 5 inch woofer for reproducing low bass?

It reminds me of an oft quoted statement by George Orwell;

There are some ideas so idiotic only an intellectual would believe them.

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Old 08-27-2021, 03:37 PM
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From @Petronius:
1. A" sub" is necessary for music ,even if one has "full range" speakers, primarily because the room modes on low bass. Being able to move the "subs" is to get the best performance from an audio system.
So True! I believed that my WA X1s provided all the bass that would be needed in a large living room but wanted to try REL Gs to help with nodes. J Hunter, through a sales person, advised 25s and I followed their recommendation. I don't think there is 'more'
low frequencies BUT suddenly their is clarity, definition, and sound staging that i didn't was in the recording or stream. The objectional 'nodes' are insignificant now.
A much more satisfying solution than room treatments even though setup is as critical.
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Old 08-27-2021, 07:15 PM
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1. A" sub" is necessary for music ,even if one has "full range" speakers, primarily because the room modes on low bass. Being able to move the "subs" is to get the best performance from an audio system.
So True! I believed that my WA X1s provided all the bass that would be needed in a large living room but wanted to try REL Gs to help with nodes. J Hunter, through a sales person, advised 25s and I followed their recommendation. I don't think there is 'more'
low frequencies BUT suddenly their is clarity, definition, and sound staging that i didn't was in the recording or stream. The objectional 'nodes' are insignificant now.
A much more satisfying solution than room treatments even though setup is as critical.
I also read about the benefit of adding one or preferably 2 subs so that all your speakers would become true full range. I like REL approach using high level connection, and am thinking about adding 2 @ 212/SX or 2 Carbon Special
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I also read about the benefit of adding one or preferably 2 subs so that all your speakers would become true full range. I like REL approach using high level connection, and am thinking about adding 2 @ 212/SX or 2 Carbon Special
Likewise I had the 212SX and G1 MKii wanted s and you will be very satisfied with either but do get two for a much better result. I was advised to go 25s because the living room is 6K+ cu ft with a very open floor plan. They are my first subs, and probably last, unless I stack as they can be integrated with just a little critical care and listening.
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My 2 REL Special Carbons have made a profound difference, one that I had not anticipated.
In multi-channel listening as well as in stereo.
I can only imagine the impact of a pair of 25s...
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Likewise I had the 212SX and G1 MKii wanted s and you will be very satisfied with either but do get two for a much better result. I was advised to go 25s because the living room is 6K+ cu ft with a very open floor plan. They are my first subs, and probably last, unless I stack as they can be integrated with just a little critical care and listening.
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Thanks. My room is smaller, about 4K cu ft (28ft x 15ft x 9ft), so I am kind of hesitating between 212SX (REL recommends these if your room size is > 400 sq. ft), and the Special Carbon. I believe the benefit of the 212 is kind of having a "stacked" sub, and the price difference versus the Carbon is "only" $500 each.
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My 2 REL Special Carbons have made a profound difference, one that I had not anticipated.
In multi-channel listening as well as in stereo.
I can only imagine the impact of a pair of 25s...
Hi Bart,

My HT processor is similar to your 8802A. Wondering if you can share your insights on setting up the Special Carbon for music and HT applications so they are seamlessly integrated. Thanks.
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I believe the benefit of the 212 is kind of having a "stacked" sub
Exactly, and I believe that would work as such to counter 'nodes' forming in bass, but just my conjecture now. Good luck either way - you can't go wrong
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