Experience w/ A23 and Shindo IC's

[kev313]

Originally Posted by Shindoadict

Kev I replace the Ocellia connector by switchcraft and is a
temporary set up.

I agree the Ocellia connector is not good for the Shindo.

That was a good idea!

[jdandy]

It is my opinion that if Shindo uses such poor quality female RCA connectors that they become damaged from using anything except Shindo interconnects then the designer has chose the wrong parts. If only Shindo cables offer longevity for connectors then the interconnects should be provided with the component, or at the very least this peculiarity should be disclosed prior to selling a Shindo component so that the consumer can make an informed decision. Personally, I think this is smoke and mirrors to sell cables. If these connectors are so "special" then why do they fail so easily?

[Vinyljh]

"It is my opinion that if Shindo uses such poor quality female RCA connectors that they become damaged from using anything except Shindo interconnects then the designer has chose the wrong parts."

Thats written as fact, not opinion and totally incorrect. Poor quality connector? Nobody said anything about poor quality, only about how to use something properly. Its by far the best sounding connector and like all things, needs to be used properly. Connectors have two parts, male and female. Just as you would not use a sports car for offroading and then decide its poor quality when its guts pour out all over the hillside...

"If only Shindo cables offer longevity for connectors then the interconnects should be provided with the component, or at the very least this peculiarity should be disclosed prior to selling a Shindo component so that the consumer can make an informed decision."

It is disclosed to customers. And unlike 99.99% of equipment manufacturers, Shindo doesn't conform to usually seen low standards of one size fits all. Literally in this case. I don't run a charity nor does Shindo so all cables need to be paid for.

"Personally, I think this is smoke and mirrors to sell cables."

Sometimes I wonder why I bother... And the same is said about Spectral? Naim? Some gear has requirements or damage can occur. I also said the cables need to be at least terminated with Switchcrafts and the cables should not be heavy.

But maybe its best to leave this forum with tons of misinformation posted. It seems when Matt or I try to help, its always under suspicion. And this time from a moderator.


Jonathan

[kev313]

Originally Posted by jdandy

It is my opinion that if Shindo uses such poor quality female RCA connectors that they become damaged from using anything except Shindo interconnects then the designer has chose the wrong parts. If only Shindo cables offer longevity for connectors then the interconnects should be provided with the component, or at the very least this peculiarity should be disclosed prior to selling a Shindo component so that the consumer can make an informed decision. Personally, I think this is smoke and mirrors to sell cables. If these connectors are so "special" then why do they fail so easily?

Dan - I'm curious if this means that you are suggesting that the assertion that Switchcraft connections can be damaged is intentionally false and done in an effort to sell cables. Or did you mean that Shindo has chosen these parts in order to create an ecosystem which makes it necessary to buy his cables. Not clear as to what "smoke and mirrors" refers.

[jdandy]

Jonathan.......No reason to get your feathers fluffed. Being a moderator doesn't mean I am not a member of this forum first and entitled to my opinions, the same as you. I don't have to mute my opinions for any reason. Anyone can say anything on the Internet, but that doesn't make it fact. I always recommend that everyone find out for themselves. I would, however, agree that those with an interest in the sales, service, and accessories of Shindo products seem to want to have the loudest voice. I am not trying to discredit your comments, simply offering my opinion. Embrace it or reject it, that's up to you.

[jdandy]

Originally Posted by kev313

Dan - I'm curious if this means that you are suggesting that the assertion that Switchcraft connections can be damaged is intentionally false and done in an effort to sell cables. Or did you mean that Shindo has chosen these parts in order to create an ecosystem which makes it necessary to buy his cables. Not clear as to what "smoke and mirrors" refers.

Kev.......The latter. I don't wear the rose colored Shindo glasses. Please don't misunderstand my position. I don't own Shindo, nor would I for a number of reason. My opinions are just that, my opinions. There's no reason to think I am trying to argue or pick a fight, or discredit the product or owners. After several PM's, I made my comments with the encouragement of another Shindo owner. I'm certain there will be opposing opinions and "facts" presented. I'm good with that. I certainly don't want to upset the mythical Shindo apple cart, so this is far as I will go with my contribution. Happy listening.

[kev313]

Originally Posted by jdandy

Jonathan.......No reason to get your feathers fluffed. Being a moderator doesn't mean I am not a member of this forum first and entitled to my opinions, the same as you. I don't have to mute my opinions for any reason. Anyone can say anything on the Internet, but that doesn't make it fact. I always recommend that everyone find out for themselves. I would, however, agree that those with an interest in the sales, service, and accessories of Shindo products seem to want to have the loudest voice. I am not trying to discredit your comments, simply offering my opinion. Embrace it or reject it, that's up to you.

Dan, I think you are a pretty reasonable guy and do a great job here, but I'm pretty disappointed with this post. No, you can't really say anything on the internet. If I'm reading your post correctly, your "opinion" is that Shindo reps are making up stories to sell more cables. Calling it your opinion doesn't give you the right to question someone's credibility without backing it up with facts. If you have researched the cables, fine, you can put the facts out there. Otherwise, you have apparently - and please correct me if I'm misreading your statement - called someone a liar for the purpose of selling product.

Yeah, that doesn't sit well with me so I can imagine how the Shindo folks would take it.

[kev313]

Originally Posted by jdandy

Kev.......The latter. I don't wear the rose colored Shindo glasses. Please don't misunderstand my position. I don't own Shindo, nor would I for a number of reason. My opinions are just that, my opinions. There's no reason to think I am trying to argue or pick a fight, or discredit the product or owners. After several PM's, I made my comments with the encouragement of another Shindo owner. I'm certain there will be opposing opinions and "facts" presented. I'm good with that. I certainly don't want to upset the mythical Shindo apple cart, so this is far as I will go with my contribution. Happy listening.

Gotcha. I think that could have been more artfully worded.

[kev313]

Also, I tend to think that referring to "rose colored Shindo glasses" is a bit of a swipe at Shindo owners...as if we are too foolish to realize what is an obvious ploy to sell cables. That's interesting...I tend to give a bit more credit to the majority of people that have the ability to put tens of thousands of dollars into a system. Let me put it this way...What if - now just CONSIDER this - what if Shiindo really feels that these are the best connections? They just happen to be fragile. He still uses them because it works for his vision. What the heck is wrong with that? Doesn't seem like a big deal - buy the cables. Heck, if they were designed for the product, what is the issue. Seems like a no brainer. Am I supposed to feel duped because I cannot use my other fancy cables? Are people this invested in being able to choose cables. Yowza...sounds like someone else is wearing the glasses. Besides, the Shindo ICs probably cost less than the majority of other choices. Or - as JH said - put the $2 connectors on your cable of choice. Doesn't sound like a conspiracy to me.

[Vinyljh]

"rose colored Shindo glasses" ""facts" presented" "mythical Shindo apple cart"

You're kidding, right?