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John: thanks! Which components do you plug into the P5?
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Karl Listening Room (2 Channel): Vandersteen 5A speakers, Simaudio Moon Neo 400M Mono Block Amplifiers, Esoteric D-07X DAC (preamp) via Apple Mac Mini (Roon), Furman IT-Reference 20i Power Cond., Wireworld. Listening Room (HT Portion): Vandersteen VCC-5 Center, Vandersteen VSM Signature Surrounds, JL Audio CR1 Crossover, JL Audio f110 v2 Subwoofer, Marantz SR 5010 Receiver, Wireworld Office: KEF R500 Speakers; Sonos Amp fed by Roon Family Room: Monitor Audio Silver RX6 speakers, McIntosh MA6600 Integrated Amplifier, Pro-Ject RME 9.1 TT w/ Sumiko Blackbird MC Cart. |
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Chris.......Here you go. This was copied from your post on the PS Audio forum. Thanks for directing my attention to your PSA post.
What I notice is the maximum continuous load of the P5 is less than the PPP. The P10 continuous load is the same as the PPP. Studying the specification shows that the PPP does everything the P10 does for output power, minus the gadgets, bells and whistles on the P10. Honestly, I am not seeing any reason to justify the large price jump. The touch screen and it's functions, and Ethernet connectivity don't add up to an additional $2500 over the PPP's $2000 retail price. Sure, the PPP is assemble in China to PS Audio's specs, and the P5 and P10 are built in Colorado, but can the labor costs be the reason for the price spike? PPP SpecsSpecs: Dimensions 17” W x 16.5” D x 4” H Weight 35 lbs Nominal Input Voltage 105-135 Maximum Continuous Load 1200VA Dynamic Power Delivery 0.5 second >3600VA Voltage Regulation +/- 0.5V Output Distortion Input 1200VA Resistive load <0.5% Output distortion Input 1200VA reactive load <0.5% Output impedance <0.05 Ohm Noise reduction 100KHz-2MHz >80dB Efficiency @1200VA Resistive load >80% Reactive load >85% Input Frequency 45-65Hz Under voltage limit 90VAC Over voltage limit 145VAC Energy dissipation 2160J Peak Current surge 144,000A Max Surge 6,000 Volts Clamp level 330v Telco protection 320 Joules 395 volts Coax insertion loss <1dB DC trigger config Tip positive DC trigger Voltage 5-15 volts DC P5 Specs Dimensions 17” W x 14” D x 4” H Weight 37 lbs Nominal Input Voltage 95-145 (US) 200-285 VAC (Europe/Asia) Maximum Continuous Load 1000VA (US) 1500VA (Europe/Asia) Maximum Peak Load 1200VA (US) 1800VA (Europe/Asia) Dynamic Power Delivery 0.5 second> 3600VA 9US) 5000VA (Eur./Asia) Voltage Regulation +/- 0.5V (US) 1Vac (Europe/Asia) Output Distortion Input 220-240VAC 1200VA Resistive Load <0.9% Output Distortion 230V 240VAC 1200VA Reactive Load <0.9% Output Distortion Input 110-130VAC 1200VA Resistive Load <0.5% Output Distortion Input 110-130VAC 12000VA Reactive Load <0.5% Output Impedance <0.0015 Ohm Noise Reduction (all zones) 100KHz-2MHz >80dB Efficiency @ 1200VA Resistive Load > 85% Reactive Load > 85% Input Frequency 45-56Hz Under Voltage Limit Continuous= -10% of setting, 15 Sec Duration= -15% of setting Over Voltage Limit Continuous= 5% of setting, 15 Sec Duration= 10% of setting Protection Modes L-N, L-G, N-G Energy Dissipation 2440J (US) 3670J (Europe/Asia) Peak Current Surge 144,000A (US) 84,000A (Europe/Asia) Max Surge 6,000 Volts Clamp Level 330V (US) 800V (Europe/Asia) Telco Protection 320 Joules 395 volts Coax Insertion loss <1dB DC Trigger config Tip Positive DC Trigger Voltage 5-15 volts dc P10 Specs: Dimensions 17” W x 14” D x 8.5” H Weight 73 lbs Nominal Input Voltage 95-145 (US) 200-285 VAC (Europe/Asia Maximum Continuous Load 1200VA (US) 1800VA (Europe/Asia) Maximum Peak Load 1500VA (US) 2000VA (Europe/Asia) Dynamic Power Delivery 0.5 second> 3600VA (US) 5000VA (Eur./Asia) Voltage Regulation +/- 0.5V (US) 1Vac (Europe/Asia) Output Distortion Input 220-240VAC 1200VA Resistive Load <0.9% Output Distortion 230V 240VAC 1200VA Reactive Load <0.9% Output Distortion Input 110-130VAC 1200VA Resistive Load <0.5% Output Distortion Input 110-130VAC 12000VA Reactive Load <0.5% Output Impedance <0.0015 Ohm Noise Reduction (all zones) 100KHz-2MHz >80dB Efficiency @ 1200VA Resistive Load > 85% Reactive Load > 85% Input Frequency 45-56Hz Under Voltage Limit Continuous= -10% of setting 15 Sec Duration= -15% of setting Over Voltage Limit Continuous= 5% of setting 15 Sec Duration= 10% of setting Protection Modes L-N, L-G, N-G Energy Dissipation 2440J (US) 3670J (Europe/Asia) Peak Current Surge 144,000A (US) 84,000A (Europe/Asia) Max Surge 6,000 Volts Clamp Level 330V (US) 800V (Europe/Asia) Telco Protection 320 Joules 395 volts Coax Insertion loss <1dB DC Trigger config Tip Positive DC Trigger Voltage 5-15 volts dc
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Dan STUDIO - McIntosh C1000C/P, MC2301 (2), MR88, Aurender N10, Esoteric K-01X, Shunyata Sigma spdif digital cable, Sonos Connect, PurePower 2000, Stillpoints, Furutech Flux 50, Michell Gyro SE, Michell HR Power Supply, SME 309, Ortofon Cadenza Black, Wireworld, Sonus faber Amati Anniversario LIVING ROOM - McIntosh C2300, MC75 (2), MR85, Magnum Dynalab 205, Simaudio MOON Neo 260D-T, Schiit Audio Yggdrasil, Aurender N100H, Shunyata Sigma USB cable, Micro Seiki DD40, Ortofon Cadenza Blue, Nakamichi BX-300, Sony 60ES DAT, PS Audio P10, Furutech Flux 50, Sonos Connect, Stillpoints, Wireworld, Kimber, PMC EB1i, JL Audio f113 VINTAGE - McIntosh MA230, Tandberg 3011A tuner, Olive 04HD, Sony DTC-59ES DAT, McIntosh 4300V, JBL 4312A Last edited by jdandy; 05-03-2011 at 12:04 AM. |
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Thanks Chris & Dan!
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Well, I guess it is safe to assume no one here has traded their PPP for a P5 or P10. Even with the temporary PS Audio $1000 trade in on the PPP against the P10, the price still remained at a point that did not excite me enough let my PPP's go. Now that I have compared the P10 specifications with the PPP specs, I am convinced that keeping my four Power Plant Premiers makes good sense.
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Conventional wisdom says yes keep the PPPs, that's what I am gonna do too. On the other hand, nothing is conventional in this crazy hobby - so i wouldn't be surprised if the 5/10 sounds better. Running springs, Silver Circle Audio, Pure Power, Audience etc prob also sound great. But I'm with you Dan, my PPP continues to impress me and I see no reason to replace it.
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I have four PPP's (bedroom A/V system, two channel stereo system and two PPP's in my home theater system). I am interested in replacing the PPP in the two channel system with a P5, but I am going to wait a year until all the bugs are worked out. I recall that the PPP had to go through a "shake down" and "debugging" period when it was first introduced.
I have been following reports from P5/P10 owners on the PS Audio forum regarding software bugs, unit failures, DOA units etc. and I am in no hurry to be one of the early adopters.
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