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Old 02-23-2022, 09:22 AM
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My audiophile friend and I just finished an extensive listening session with my 802D3 with more aggressive toe-in to see if this would improve the soundstage and 3D effect.

The listening position is around 10 1/2 feet from the speakers that are around 9 1/2 feet apart. I have a 3 person couch and we typically both sit on the outside position with the center seat empty.

I had the speakers originally with the toe-in to cross around 2 feet behind my head when sitting in the center position and then we changed to have each speaker on the opposite side with the tweeter pointed directly at the person.

I have read with more directional loudspeakers this should improve the soundstage and center image. We listened to the speakers like this for an entire day and it felt like we were sitting in the near field and the sound was more focused, although it seemed like the bass was a bit lower in level. We both really liked it.

The next day we decided to go back to the original position and found the soundstage seemed wider and not quite as focused and the bass levels slightly higher in intensity.

After listening with the original set up in our outboard sitting positons, we decided we preferred this set up as it was more relaxing overall for extended listening sessions.

One point that was clear is no matter if you are sitting in the outboard or middle seat the sound stage was excellent. I believe that due to the wide dispersion characteristic of the speaker vs one that has narrow dispersion, that the toe-in is not that critical. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer but personal preference.

Would love to hear experiences from anyone else who has tried this.
Not sure I understand correctly what you did….
Did your right speaker point to yiur left ear and vice-versa?

I did it like that, both tweeter lines crossing slightly in front of my head.
It give me a more focused 3D center image but I lost in width…
Now I’m back with very little toe in.
Way better soundstage but I miss the very defined center image….

Impossible to get the best of the 2 worlds it seems….
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Old 02-23-2022, 09:25 AM
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My audiophile friend and I just finished an extensive listening session with my 802D3 with more aggressive toe-in to see if this would improve the soundstage and 3D effect.

The listening position is around 10 1/2 feet from the speakers that are around 9 1/2 feet apart. I have a 3 person couch and we typically both sit on the outside position with the center seat empty.

I had the speakers originally with the toe-in to cross around 2 feet behind my head when sitting in the center position and then we changed to have each speaker on the opposite side with the tweeter pointed directly at the person.

I have read with more directional loudspeakers this should improve the soundstage and center image. We listened to the speakers like this for an entire day and it felt like we were sitting in the near field and the sound was more focused, although it seemed like the bass was a bit lower in level. We both really liked it.

The next day we decided to go back to the original position and found the soundstage seemed wider and not quite as focused and the bass levels slightly higher in intensity.

After listening with the original set up in our outboard sitting positons, we decided we preferred this set up as it was more relaxing overall for extended listening sessions.

One point that was clear is no matter if you are sitting in the outboard or middle seat the sound stage was excellent. I believe that due to the wide dispersion characteristic of the speaker vs one that has narrow dispersion, that the toe-in is not that critical. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer but personal preference.

Would love to hear experiences from anyone else who has tried this.
If you didn’t see it yet, hereby from the beginning of this thread

http://libinst.com/PublicArticles/Se...20Speakers.pdf
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Old 02-24-2022, 12:17 AM
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If you didn’t see it yet, hereby from the beginning of this thread

http://libinst.com/PublicArticles/Se...20Speakers.pdf
Thanks. I read this article with interest which is one of the reasons I tried this. While it works well for waveguide designs this method does not appear to have the same effect with wide dispersion speakers such as the 802 D3. That is why I am curious if anyone else with this model has tried this and what the results were.
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Old 02-25-2022, 02:15 AM
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I prefer toe in with a fairly big space between the speakers (around 3.15 meters). I sit 3.7 meters away from the speakers and it is a good balance of focus and stage width. But this is all personal. You must experiment. And if I change a component (even a cable) I always tweak the speakers position. Hope this helps.
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