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Old 04-06-2023, 12:47 PM
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Yesterday my 3 pack of Stainless steel door stoppers came. https://tinyurl.com/37ndebaj

Since I already had my Stillpoints LPI v2 on top of my DAC I started my evaluation with it first. The LPI made a very nice improvement. I moved it around a bit and found the best spot was over the transformer covering about half of it.

The music really came alive when adding the LPI. I never really noticed but gone was a haze that was now lifted. Everything was just better. (Seriously) The soundstage grew in all directions. The higher frequencies like symbols, horns and strings were now clear and crisp. Bass was tighter and better controlled, and the midrange a bit more forward.

After about 1 1/2 hours I moved to the door stopper. The 1st thing I noticed was that the door stopper was heavier. It weights 2.2 lbs. compared to the LPI's 1.6 lbs.

I placed the door stopper in the exact same place as the LPI. It didn't take long to figure out that the door stopper was not in the same league as the LPI. I was hoping it would be especially with the added weight to further dampen the vibrations and its low cost but it didn't. I would have to assume that the LPI's design was the key. Let's face it the LPI was designed to tame vibrations by dissipating the heat. The door stop is just that, a weight that holds a door open.

It's not that the door stopper was bad, it just didn't measure up to the LPI. The door stopper was still better than having no dampening on top. If I didn't have or try the LPI I would be very satisfied with the door stopper. In fact I placed one on top of my SACD transport and one on top of my Preamp and that bumped it up another level. I would have loved to try one on top of my Aurender but due to rack space it doesn't fit.

I did try to use the 3rd door stopper on the DAC with the LPI but more is not better. The soundstage collapsed a bit and some of the sparkle was gone. With that said it appears there is a limit in how much dampening you can do before it starts to work against you.

To sum it up, if you already have the Stillpoints LPI for your vinyl it doesn't hurt or cost you anything to use it somewhere else as a dampening device. The LPI took my digital listening to another level as it did for my vinyl listening.
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Paul, when you mentioned you were going to try door stoppers, I thought that was the name for less expensive Damping solution. I did not know that you meant actual door stoppers!
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I'm still mulling this over Ivan. The cost of Stillpoints has increased and not sure if I want to go down that rabbit hole. It might start out with 1 then 2 and then keep going.

Stillpoints are the best product I have tried for vibration control. I also get great results with their Apertures. To some, maybe even me they are worth their weight in gold. The timing is just not right now.
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Paul, when you mentioned you were going to try door stoppers, I thought that was the name for less expensive Damping solution. I did not know that you meant actual door stoppers!
Hi Joe,

Yes, they are actual door stoppers.
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I'm still mulling this over Ivan. The cost of Stillpoints has increased and not sure if I want to go down that rabbit hole. It might start out with 1 then 2 and then keep going.

Stillpoints are the best product I have tried for vibration control. I also get great results with their Apertures. To some, maybe even me they are worth their weight in gold. The timing is just not right now.
Maybe, I will offer you a Deal you can’t refuse…

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I took delivery of a new LPI v2 this afternoon. Apologies to the member who said this originally, but it was obvious from the instant the needle touched down on the record. The LPI v2 is transformative. A level of clarity and space was immediately apparent. The bass was tighter, the instruments occupied their own spaces, and voices were more natural. From a record weight ?!? Yes. Count me in the “believer” column when it comes to Stillpoints. Thank you again Ivan. Every word of your description was accurate.

I have a Palmer 2.5i table, Audio Origami PU7 arm, and Koetsu Rosewood Signature cart. I have always used the weight that came with the table. This setup has never sounded better than it did today with the LPI v2.
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Paul, when you mentioned you were going to try door stoppers, I thought that was the name for less expensive Damping solution. I did not know that you meant actual door stoppers!
Yes, they're just stainless door stops. About $12/each. I use on top of my EAR324s thin steel cover resting on an ~6" piece of Sorbothane. I determined where to place by tapping on the cover with this assembly in place in various positions, and put it where it sounded like it provided the most damping (not "dampening")



I'm sure it's not as good as the Stillpoint, but it also is about 40X less expensive.
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I took delivery of a new LPI v2 this afternoon. Apologies to the member who said this originally, but it was obvious from the instant the needle touched down on the record. The LPI v2 is transformative. A level of clarity and space was immediately apparent. The bass was tighter, the instruments occupied their own spaces, and voices were more natural. From a record weight ?!? Yes. Count me in the “believer” column when it comes to Stillpoints. Thank you again Ivan. Every word of your description was accurate.

I have a Palmer 2.5i table, Audio Origami PU7 arm, and Koetsu Rosewood Signature cart. I have always used the weight that came with the table. This setup has never sounded better than it did today with the LPI v2.
Ben… although it is crazy to imagine a record clamp can make such a difference, it is undeniable.
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Ben… although it is crazy to imagine a record clamp can make such a difference, it is undeniable.


Agreed! A vinyl record and a needle are ALL ABOUT vibration. Literally how it works. Mitigating external vibration is paramount to recreating the original content of the record. A clamp will help mitigate or maybe even prevent much of the resonance that will otherwise cause external vibrations to get amplified and ultimately reach the speakers. Maybe it won’t solve all your issues but it’ll sure help prevent some.
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