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Old 12-29-2021, 03:59 PM
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I have been bitten by the upgrade bug and Im looking at my speakers first. Im considering the Cantons and Im trying to understand if there is a noticeable difference between the 5k vs 7k vs 3k. My room is only 18 x 12. I was thinking the larger size of the 3k might be overkill for the room. These will replace my Harbeths in my primary 2 channel system. I was leaning to the 5k as it would free up some funds for other upgrades but could stretch to the 3k if it was a substantial improvement. I mostly listen to (80%) 1980s to current rock with some (10%) acid jazz and (10%) broadway shows. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Am a 9K user in 12x30x7 room with my listening postion & speakers at one of the ends of same. I've been thinking of upgrading to the 7K but refuse to do so until I can audition them. Unfortunately, neither dealer in NA (Ivan & David Lewis) that I'm aware of has them available to listen to. David Lewis, my most local dealer. tells me that I should listen to his 5K as the only difference between them and the 7K is the 5K would go somewhat deeper in the bass. That said, I'm pleased enough with the 9K that I'm in no particular hurry. Good luck making your decision. They are great speakers.
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Thanks for the input, the base is one of the areas I feel the Harbeths are lacking. That’s why I fave the Rel sub. I was hoping with this upgrade to get a fuller, more cohesive sound. I love the vocals from the Harbeth but when playing rock they I know I’m missing out, when compared to other speakers
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Thanks for the input, the base is one of the areas I feel the Harbeths are lacking. Thats why I fave the Rel sub. I was hoping with this upgrade to get a fuller, more cohesive sound. I love the vocals from the Harbeth but when playing rock they I know Im missing out, when compared to other speakers

You can even consider the 9Ks plus a sub (or a pair of subs).
This makes it easier to finetune the bass in a small room than a pair of larger speakers.
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Thanks for the input, the bass is one of the areas I feel the Harbeths are lacking. That’s why I fave the Rel sub. I was hoping with this upgrade to get a fuller, more cohesive sound. I love the vocals from the Harbeth but when playing rock they I know I’m missing out, when compared to other speakers
Yes. I've often thought of adding the Canton (or other) sub to my Ref 9Ks, but I am simply not a bassophile (listen mostly to classic/jazz at moderate levels & the bass & drums are my least favorite instruments) so would mostly be a waste for me.

As Ivan states, bigger is better if you want bass. Can't imagine that any of the floor standing Canton Refs would disappoint in any way.
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Jd… I own all models of the Ref series up to and including the 1K. My room that these are all in is not much bigger than yours at all.

I would highly recommend the 3K’s, it is the sweet spot in their line. You won’t need Subs either, the Bass is outstanding.

We can talk offline, anytime to discuss delivery/pricing etc.

PS: Dean aka Maxsmart here just took delivery of his new 3K’s and is smitten.
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Old 10-07-2022, 07:06 AM
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Jd I own all models of the Ref series up to and including the 1K. My room that these are all in is not much bigger than yours at all.

I would highly recommend the 3Ks, it is the sweet spot in their line. You wont need Subs either, the Bass is outstanding.

We can talk offline, anytime to discuss delivery/pricing etc.

PS: Dean aka Maxsmart here just took delivery of his new 3Ks and is smitten.
I am starting to plan a speaker change in my living room. Had many speakers including B&W 800 D2, Sonus Faber Elipsa, Burmester B80, Focal Sopra 3, Piega Classic 80.2 (Piega`s are still in my stereo room) and now playing on my Infinity Kappa 9.2i. Amps are MC2KW.
I use subwoofers most of the time but want frontspeakers that can play both super loud and down to 25 hz at least. But I do not want speakers that scream, the sound needs to be nice well above 100 dB in he sofa area. I want to shake the room and at the same time experience clean sound and a beautiful soundstage. Since you know these 3 models well, could you give me a hint what you believe would work for me? Hoping for some good advice.
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I am starting to plan a speaker change in my living room. Had many speakers including B&W 800 D2, Sonus Faber Elipsa, Burmester B80, Focal Sopra 3, Piega Classic 80.2 (Piega`s are still in my stereo room) and now playing on my Infinity Kappa 9.2i. Amps are MC2KW.
I use subwoofers most of the time but want frontspeakers that can play both super loud and down to 25 hz at least. But I do not want speakers that scream, the sound needs to be nice well above 100 dB in he sofa area. I want to shake the room and at the same time experience clean sound and a beautiful soundstage. Since you know these 3 models well, could you give me a hint what you believe would work for me? Hoping for some good advice.
Dag having owned every Canton Reference model, and the MC2KWs as you, here is my best guidance.

The top 3 Canton Reference speakers K1, K2, K3 are all voiced the same. The biggest difference is the Bass and power handling capacity.

In your situation I would highly recommend/endorse you hear, and then purchase the Reference K1s. They are phenomenal speakers at their price point, that come awfully close to the TAD R1 MIIs (that I also own)

Together with your MC2KWs these would be your forever speakers. I often dont endorse a speaker so strongly, but these K1s are ever so worthy.

I have sold more than 7 pairs to fellow AArs here. Perhaps they will chime in too.
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Dag having owned every Canton Reference model, and the MC2KWs as you, here is my best guidance.

The top 3 Canton Reference speakers K1, K2, K3 are all voiced the same. The biggest difference is the Bass and power handling capacity.

In your situation I would highly recommend/endorse you hear, and then purchase the Reference K1s. They are phenomenal speakers at their price point, that come awfully close to the TAD R1 MIIs (that I also own)

Together with your MC2KWs these would be your forever speakers. I often dont endorse a speaker so strongly, but these K1s are ever so worthy.

I have sold more than 7 pairs to fellow AArs here. Perhaps they will chime in too.
Thank you so much for you advice. I apprechiate it a lot. Next step is travelling to listen to a pair of 2K, then hopefully arrange a test in my house of the 1K. There are only the Aida that are a future alternative but 1K could as you say be my forever speakers as I see it. Thanks again!
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Thank you so much for you advice. I apprechiate it a lot. Next step is travelling to listen to a pair of 2K, then hopefully arrange a test in my house of the 1K. There are only the Aida that are a future alternative but 1K could as you say be my forever speakers as I see it. Thanks again!
K1s are very heavy at over 300lbs each.
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