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Old 02-12-2022, 11:55 AM
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This has been chock full of interesting information and solutions. I'm tucking this one away as it may come in handy in the not so distant future.
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Old 02-12-2022, 02:33 PM
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I would not sweat the wireless bogeyman too much with 1 caveat. As someone that built and shipped millions of high end enterprise wifi access point, I would have no worries that a good wifi implementation will not negatively impact sound quality.
There lies the rub. Wifi technology is always evolving, always in motion. There’s new major standards coming continuously, a wifi link can easily be faster than a 1G wired connection and with this magic comes complexity. If you are a vendor of hifi gear, what do you actually know about the wifi technology? Well, nothing. So you’ll buy the whole stack from a vendor and integrate this with the device OS, likely linux. There are many pitfalls there especially if the hifi vendor tries to cheapen out, which is likely in a product that sells for 500$, where the total part cost has to be around $100
To be clear I know nothing about the blusound wifi. For me I would keep the Mac and spend the 1K on a DAC. Good wifi first. But then i am of the unpopular opinion that fancy streamers is the last place to spend cash. In my setup I have a bricasti M3, a semi fancy DAC. I have the network interface so I can feed the DAC from a) Ethernet, b) Roon nucleus to USB c) a Naim ND5 XS2 through SPDIF. I can guaranteed that I have ears and there isn’t much difference at all between those 3 setups. Much much less than changing the filter in the DAC, or any other fiddling with components…
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Old 02-12-2022, 03:27 PM
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I would not sweat the wireless bogeyman too much with 1 caveat. As someone that built and shipped millions of high end enterprise wifi access point, I would have no worries that a good wifi implementation will not negatively impact sound quality.
There lies the rub. Wifi technology is always evolving, always in motion. There’s new major standards coming continuously, a wifi link can easily be faster than a 1G wired connection and with this magic comes complexity. If you are a vendor of hifi gear, what do you actually know about the wifi technology? Well, nothing. So you’ll buy the whole stack from a vendor and integrate this with the device OS, likely linux. There are many pitfalls there especially if the hifi vendor tries to cheapen out, which is likely in a product that sells for 500$, where the total part cost has to be around $100
To be clear I know nothing about the blusound wifi. For me I would keep the Mac and spend the 1K on a DAC. Good wifi first. But then i am of the unpopular opinion that fancy streamers is the last place to spend cash. In my setup I have a bricasti M3, a semi fancy DAC. I have the network interface so I can feed the DAC from a) Ethernet, b) Roon nucleus to USB c) a Naim ND5 XS2 through SPDIF. I can guaranteed that I have ears and there isn’t much difference at all between those 3 setups. Much much less than changing the filter in the DAC, or any other fiddling with components…
A good reason to get a Lumin P1 or X1 and call it a day. Right now, I'm streaming via OM-1 spec fiber from my Mac Mini (via Sonore OM FMC) into a Lumin P1. No need for an Ethernet switch, no need for an LPS for the Ethernet switch, no need for a network bridge, no need for an LPS for the network bridge, no need for an Ethernet cable, and..no need for a USB cable. Other nice things about fiber: no high-source impedance leakage current, no threshold jitter, and no common-mode noise on the Ethernet or the USB cables.

And, it sounds...fabulous. As in....REALLY good.

'Course, a Constellation integrated amp doesn't hurt one bit, either.
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Old 02-12-2022, 05:18 PM
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I can’t help you on that particular equipment, but IMO you would receive better sound quality from Qobuz.
He is currently using Amazon HD which is equal to or higher resolution than Qobuz so I am not sure what you mean by "better sound quality from Qobuz"?

Plus he can get both Atmos and Spatial Audio from Amazon if he cares to.
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Old 02-12-2022, 05:37 PM
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Part of my decision is based on taking some load off of my computer which is always being used since I am on several forums, some of which i sometimes moderate
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Old 02-12-2022, 06:17 PM
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A good reason to get a Lumin P1 or X1 and call it a day. Right now, I'm streaming via OM-1 spec fiber from my Mac Mini (via Sonore OM FMC) into a Lumin P1. No need for an Ethernet switch, no need for an LPS for the Ethernet switch, no need for a network bridge, no need for an LPS for the network bridge, no need for an Ethernet cable, and..no need for a USB cable. Other nice things about fiber: no high-source impedance leakage current, no threshold jitter, and no common-mode noise on the Ethernet or the USB cables.

And, it sounds...fabulous. As in....REALLY good.

'Course, a Constellation integrated amp doesn't hurt one bit, either.
I actually agree Puma Cat. My best audio buddy did that when I went the thinkering route and I’m a bit jealous. This is the way. As you say there are so many reasons to put streamer and DAC in 1 box, I could pile on it all day ;-).
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Old 02-12-2022, 07:17 PM
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I am going to reiterate something Puma Cat has been preaching on. I am also in a position of being budget conscious- not as much as some and way more so than others but I digress. A dirty record played on a $100,000 totally tricked out turntable isn’t gonna help that TT sound its best. The signal coming into your streamer is what contains the music. If it is a “dirty” signal your streamer is going to have to.. well, you know the saying “garbage in garbage out”. Now good streamers can do some cleaning up but the cleaner the signal the better whatever goes from your streamer to your dac all things being equal. I just got myself an Uptone Audio EtherRegen switch and 2 Wireworld Starlight Ethernet cables, 1 meter and 3 meter(the WW courtesy of Ivan right before the price change— great deal, great price, great service- great transaction— and within a vey tight budget at that moment). The 1 meter goes from the ER to my Bryston BDP-3 and the 3 meter to my 65” LG OLED tv. I didn’t know really black blacks could get noticeably blacker (the TV) and this really crisp picture crisper but not in an artificial way. The music- not to be cliche, but blacks blacker- listening to something like Jen Chapin or Sinne Eig and Thomas Fonnesback, the spaces between notes are noticeably quieter and the listener (me), more there- not so much like the performers are more in my room but It is more like I am in the performance space. You can get certainly get your signal cleaner where it makes a significant difference using Shunyata Sigma or Omega caliber cables, etc.. But if you can’t afford that like me (and I am not pleading poverty here, I just have two adult kids who are not fully independent yet), you can still get a great headstart on cleaning up your signal by running that fiber Puma Cat mentioned to an EtherRegen (about 600 bucks) or running Ethernet from an Airport Express to an EtherRegen, and then from the EtherRegen a meter of WW Starlight or Shunyata Venom if your budget can handle it… and you won’t have difficulty noticing the difference. If you drink really good single malt with one ice cube, do you make your ice (to have for drinking the scotch) with tap water?
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Old 02-13-2022, 09:29 AM
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Part of my decision is based on taking some load off of my computer which is always being used since I am on several forums, some of which i sometimes moderate
I long ago bought a dedicated audio laptop. (I am on my second one already)

Far more adaptable and versatile for digital music.

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Old 02-13-2022, 02:53 PM
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You guys have now succeeded in hurting my head. I hope you're happy.
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At least as to my dissertation I’ll make it really simple. Do you have vinyl? If yes, do you use a RCM or otherwise clean your records before playing them? If yes, you would probably do that whether you had a $2000 Clearaudio or $20,000 VPI or $200,000 whatever; and whichever of those categories you fall into you would invest different amounts as you deemed appropriated, proportional and affordable. The signal that comes into your streamer (or computer that serves as one is the record. The cleaner you get it the better it will sound no matter what you are playing it on/with. Puma Cat mentioned a fairly inexpensive way or ways to do that. I mentioned a slightly less expensive way that I just started using to great beneficial effect (IMO). I spent $800 (excluding the cable to my tv) and it made a very noticeable difference. That covers my part in this discussion.
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