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Omega Super Alnico Monitors here. 8 ohm, 95db, full range 6" driver in large monitor box (11x14x20). They are the core of a quad-amped speaker system. Using a Marchand XM66 variable line level crossover, the monitors are fed 60Hz up and the signal below 60Hz is fed to Rythmik Audio 8" powered mid-woofers in custom cabinets Louis of Omega built to serve as bases for the monitors. The extend down to 30Hz. Completing the extension, Rythmik F12's from 30 down (they go down to 14) and DIY supertweeters using 1980's Yamaha beryllium tweeters and a Harrison Labs line levelhigh pass filter - 2nd order roll off at 15kHz - at the inputs of a 25wpc Bantam Gold amp to feed them. 4th order roll offs between monitors and mid-woofers and between mid-woofers and subs for seamless integration.
Sounds complex, but the monitors run from 60Hz up so they are basically doing the vast majority of the range and their amazing imaging is preserved. Everything else is for enhancement of extension. I am currently on audio cloud nine. All of this has just come together in the past month after working towards it for two years. This is with, of course, Inspire LP-2 and KT-150. The amp is running with 1974 Voskhod "rocket" 6N23P driver, my beloved Visseaux 6V6GT's, and a vintage Cossor 53KU/GZ37/CV378 "fat bottle" rectifier. Herbie's "fat dots" between monitor and mid-woofer and his studded gliders as feet that also allow for adjustable tilt back. Relieving the Inspire and the monitors from frequencies below 60Hz, as well as supplementing gain with the mid and sub woofers, allows this 5wpc configuration to play quite loudly. I was listening to Beethoven piano concertos (Barenboim - wow!) last night. Blissed out with the fullness and power of the presentation. |
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This really sounds sophisticated! I'm sure it must sound quite marvelous. Evidently, reinforcing the main gear with auxiliaries for the extended frequencies allows the main system to really focus on the most important sound range/band, agreed. I've experimented this with my Subwoofer at various crossing points, from 50 to 80. Much simpler approach, of course. I've also been quite interested in the Omega's and in particular the Alnico Super Monitors. The only drawback I saw at the time was the lower sensitivity, equivalent exactly to a doubling of power (i.e., 3 dB's relative to the Tekton's), a variable that still is very important in my preferences. I know Louis claims his Alnicos are the best drivers he's ever designed. I also hesitated in that choice given the smaller 6" driver, as I assumed some lacking sound body stemming from that (speed vs body of sound is a difficult design variable to fix). No wonder your extreme band auxiliary support makes the best complement to Louis's driver design, keeping its speed with added body and extension through the auxiliaries. Then, there's the special Alnico material imaging effect, as you said. What sort of room conditioning have you used in this great setup? Congrats on your excellent gear! Last edited by Musica Amantem; 03-11-2016 at 02:41 PM. |
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But that is my listening level. I have not tried pushing it to see its max before audible distortion. I do sometimes listen while cooking and turn it up louder than that for rock/jazz without problem. I'm not familiar with your speakers, so don't know how they would compare for pure output. I would think yours would be higher given the sensitivity and driver size. However, the Omegas do deceive given their size. On the Omega forum, others rave about the RS5 driver that is even smaller and never complain about output. How big is your room? You are running a preamp. How about your source? Could it be less than average voltage output? I'm using a Cambridge Audio Azur 851N network streamer/DAC that, I think, has 2.2v output. |
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I think Omega's RS5 is a very fast driver and must be excellent in dynamics and middle frequencies, but it may need reinforcements in the upper and lower frequency distribution tails to keep up body of sound, but that is just me. |
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If there isn't some risk (for you to assess), you could try an XLR to RCA adapter and feed the 4 volts to the pre. If the DAC has an attenuator, you could even dial that back to somewhere between 2 and 4 v. However, I only recently have found configuration that gives me enough slam with classical. Without the mid-woofers, I never experienced it. Orchestral music had been interesting, but once I got the mid-woofers dialed in, I started choosing classical more often. I think it is quite difficult to get proper sound with full orchestra. Until I heard it, I never new what was possible. I wish there was some way we could hear each other's systems. Maybe we will get some virtual reality transmission capability in our lifetimes (if not transporter beams!) Last edited by pstrisik; 03-11-2016 at 03:40 PM. |
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I have read posts in other forums which describe those same advantages using mid-woofers, particularly at the Decware forums. I've been also considering these ... but I'm so happy with my current dialing/fine-tuning process at this point mostly through tube rolling, I just want to reach a plateau and then consider other improvement avenues ...
I have a passive Decware ZBit also, which transforms the Balanced signal from the DAC into a single-ended stream keeping voltage anywhere from 4 to 0 volts. I tried it once with the Inspire amp directly but did not do much for me. I may try again, but I believe the DACT attenuator (passive) I also have in my amp is not too synergistic with the ZBit. It works better in my Decware Mini Torii, but I prefer the Inspire, anytime. |
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Interesting to me on two counts in your post: I took a look at the ZBit. Interesting option, though $649 discourages me. My Cambridge Audio streamer/DAC has both balanced and unbalanced outputs. Naturally, I use the unbalanced with the Inspires, but makes me curious how it would sound with balanced to ZBit and all the flexibility of adjustment at the source that would add. Sounds like it didn't wow you though. Maybe relevant that whenever I try to run the Inspire KT-150 without the LP-2, I'm less satisfied. I found that true with the Kitoki also. It is odd that the LP-2 doesn't seem to add much gain, but I like the overall sound better. Before I discovered Dennis in retirement, I had his Cary SLP-05. I bought the KT-150 and a few months later bought the LP-2 so I could have a matching set in the same color since it looked like I was keeping the KT-150 long term. I didn't expect to use the LP-2 extensively. But I went back and forth between the SLP-05 and LP-2 and kept finding the LP-2 preferable (at 1/6 the price!). I ended up selling the Cary. Go figure! The other thing is that you are the first that I have seen compare Inspire with DECWare directly. I've been curious about the DECWares, particularly Super Zen. I recently had the opportunity to try a new internet direct amp by Wolf Ear Audio (Canada) called the Kitoki that is now on tour. Two watt EL 84 based SET. It was sweet, particularly the transparency in the upper registers. It looks like the MiniTorii is more comparable to the Inspire SEPs though - 6V6 based. I may try the Super Zen Select someday as there is the 30 day trial period. It would be cool to have a zebrawood base on the amp to match the Omegas' veneer. I like my Jaguar Red Inspires look though. |
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I am also using Omegas, the Super 7 Monitor MK2. They are rated 95db into 8ohms. When I got my Inspires I was pushing Epos es14s, mid 90's vintage, at 86db into 8ohms. Listening room was identical. The Epos were a bit timid. The notes were there but without as much life as the Omegas. This setup is in my office and I have neighbors so higher volume is not so much the issue. I have lately inserted a sub (pinnacle baby boomer) after reading a post on the Omega forum. Never been much of a sub/mains fan for audio. In fact this sub was borrowed from my video system. Now I see the reason and I understand Peter's endeavors. The Omegas driven by the inspire with the appropriate tube combo is sublime. The sub just fills out the lower extreme and just adds to the experience. Of course since this is my office listening is not often my primary focus though I do get annoyed as the phone rings and I have to turn the volume down.
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