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Old 08-29-2021, 04:24 PM
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Hi Bart,

My HT processor is similar to your 8802A. Wondering if you can share your insights on setting up the Special Carbon for music and HT applications so they are seamlessly integrated. Thanks.

Hi,

For stereo, I let de RELs kick in at around 35 Hz.
We started testing lower, because my Vivids do have useful output down to 20 Hz, but this gave the best results so far (I might play around a bit more in the future but I'm already very happy).
I thought it would be subtle, but it isn't.
The difference is not only very audible, you can also feel it.

For surround, I let my processor cross over at 40 Hz for the fronts, and 60 Hz for the centre and rears.
40 Hz is the lowest setting in my Marantz.
I still wonder what took me so long to add the subs, because also here, it makes a huge difference. Those lowest 5-10 Hz really are important.

Overall, those 8K were one of my better audio investments!

Hope this helps,
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Old 08-29-2021, 07:13 PM
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I believe the benefit of the 212 is kind of having a "stacked" sub
Exactly, and I believe that would work as such to counter 'nodes' forming in bass, but just my conjecture now. Good luck either way - you can't go wrong
Thanks!
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Old 08-29-2021, 07:15 PM
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Hi,

For stereo, I let de RELs kick in at around 35 Hz.
We started testing lower, because my Vivids do have useful output down to 20 Hz, but this gave the best results so far (I might play around a bit more in the future but I'm already very happy).
I thought it would be subtle, but it isn't.
The difference is not only very audible, you can also feel it.

For surround, I let my processor cross over at 40 Hz for the fronts, and 60 Hz for the centre and rears.
40 Hz is the lowest setting in my Marantz.
I still wonder what took me so long to add the subs, because also here, it makes a huge difference. Those lowest 5-10 Hz really are important.

Overall, those 8K were one of my better audio investments!

Hope this helps,
Bart
Thanks Bart. This is very helpful. I am finishing up my HT/Music room, and once completed, the first thing to add are REL subs
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Old 09-02-2021, 07:02 PM
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My Aidas sound pretty good with support from my 4 fathoms.

I wouldn’t be without them.
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Old 09-04-2021, 11:47 AM
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Earlier this summer, I added a Rythmik Audio sub to my setup. I didn't know what I was missing! It took some time to get it properly set up but what a difference it has made. Unfortunately, I don't have the space for a second one.
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Old 09-05-2021, 09:01 AM
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Good information here. The ability to even out room modes is a strong argument.
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Old 09-06-2021, 10:15 AM
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Occasionally I like to listen to organ music. Very few full range speakers can produce the weight of the organ realistically.

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I have ML CLS1s.
For years I thought about getting a sub, but hesitated believing the extra crossover circuitry and wiring would impede the purity, transparency, and resolution.

Finally (years ago), I bought a ML Depth sub. There was no loss of purity, transparency, and resolution. And the total system sound gained in terms of space, ambience, low-end extension, and smoothness.
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Occasionally I like to listen to organ music. Very few full range speakers can produce the weight of the organ realistically.

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I've had the good fortune to hear the organ at Notre Dame during high mass on a couple of occasions. The magnitude of the sound and utter depth of the bass cannot IMHO ever be reproduced via recording and playback. The in person experience is truly soul stirring and deeply emotional.

As to sub integration you can get either abysmal results or truly spectacular results. It all depends on system synergy and how well you've managed to integrate them.

In my small room I ran 2 SVS SB1000 subs behind my Magnepan 1.7's with terrific results. No way you could ever tell I had subs running.
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What a fun and timely subject.
I’m also an occasional organ pipes listener, attempting to recreate the total immersion I felt hearing the Passau Cathedral organ, largest pipe organ in Europe.
I tried for years to successfully integrate multiple subs into 2 channel listening. Never got it right. I was never satisfied, always preferring 2 channel to 2 channel & subs.
I finally brought in an expert for a system calibration. I asked him to set me up with both full range and full range with subs. He said he ht bother, once you hear it with the subs you will always want them.
He was right. My answer to the question posed is that subs properly integrated into my system yielded true full range sound. I can’t hear where the L/R’s stop and my 4 subs begin. It’s simply a field of f full range sound. On standup bass it’s still sweet. Detailed. In proper balance. Then, when Han’s hits his low notes or that pipe organ is looking to shake your home’s foundation, boom, it’s all there too!
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