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Old 12-11-2020, 01:07 PM
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First, terribly sorry this happened. When you buy Mac you expect it to work. If you bought the 462 new from a dealer there should be no problem with getting the unit replaced with a new one. My dealer would be out in a blue livid second as soon as my new unit arrived.

This brings up an issue that I have never understood. Any unit that I buy better be new out of the box never opened until it is installed by the dealer or by me. How is it that folks get to audition all this expensive gear in home including cables and cords before buying? All I can say is I don't want any gear that has been on the back seat or trunk of any vehicle or in anybody's rack. As far as I'm concerned it's a used piece and I don't want it. Or, I want to know it and receive a 40% discount. It's not even a demo at that point.

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Short answer is dealers keep certain stock as demo/loans and another way is to rent/borrow from an outfit such as The Cable Company which allows you to play with whatever cable you want for a fee.
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Old 12-11-2020, 01:08 PM
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Short answer is dealers keep certain stock as demo/loans and another way is to rent/borrow from an outfit such as The Cable Company which allows you to play with whatever cable you want for a fee.
and in my case, I tried out the MC452 as he didn't have a 462... but they're essentially very similar... cables, again ... I just buy them for their aesthetic, they're not going to make a sound difference that my 51 year old ears can hear.
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Old 12-11-2020, 01:17 PM
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and in my case, I tried out the MC452 as he didn't have a 462... but they're essentially very similar... cables, again ... I just buy them for their aesthetic, they're not going to make a sound difference that my 51 year old ears can hear.
You are one of the first audiophiles ever to openly admit that. At least that I have witnessed in the last 30 years of various forums. The rest will claim that there was an epiphoneous moment each and every time they buy a new cable...

Simply saying, "man, I love the way that snake looks hanging out the back of my amp like it partially swallowed it" would be refreshing for a change.
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You are one of the first audiophiles ever to openly admit that. At least that I have witnessed in the last 30 years of various forums. The rest will claim that there was an epiphoneous moment each and every time they buy a new cable...

Simply saying, "man, I love the way that snake looks hanging out the back of my amp like it partially swallowed it" would be refreshing for a change.
an EE degree and years as an amateur radio operator (call sign K6UA) has simply given me too much knowledge to allow my self to fall into the "I can hear it" trap..
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Old 12-11-2020, 01:37 PM
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You are one of the first audiophiles ever to openly admit that. At least that I have witnessed in the last 30 years of various forums. The rest will claim that there was an epiphoneous moment each and every time they buy a new cable...

Simply saying, "man, I love the way that snake looks hanging out the back of my amp like it partially swallowed it" would be refreshing for a change.
Well......let’s just agree to disagree
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Well......let’s just agree to disagree
I have no problem with disagreeing.

Let me know if the theory of how AC gets across the primary transformer winding through the core of the transformer via a "magnetic field" into the secondary, then is rectified, converted to DC and is stored in capacitors for the Voltage Rails to be used in amplification stages has anything do with any power cord whatsoever. Because neither myself nor any engineer I have ever spoken to has ever had an explanation for that.

Of course the other side of the argument is I hear it. Blindfolded? No, not really, it all falls apart blindfolded.

McIntosh has never been an advocate for aftermarket cables until recently when they decided the cable game can bring in more revenue so why pass on it. Gordon Gow despised Monster Cable and everything it stood for duping people back in the day.

So the approach of Audio Jewelry is quite acceptable to me where as the other Voodoo approach is not and not for the lack of trying over 30 years. I am not a hypocrite either, having an electronic background, I myself have also gone against logic when it comes to audio.
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One of those subjects we’re never going to agree on I think, but frankly makes for a good discussion, I also think there might be some people who are in fact able to hear things that others can’t I know in my case I certainly cannot.
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One of those subjects we’re never going to agree on I think, but frankly makes for a good discussion, I also think there might be some people who are in fact able to hear things that others can’t I know in my case I certainly cannot.
It doesn't even matter. Fortunately we all have a choice whether to engage in any of the upgrades or not. For some a Schiit DAC is more than musical at $2400 and for others only the MSB at $90K will do. Some do not hear anything in cables, others will write a novel on that new cable. It's all part of the fun I guess and the wallet is the only party that should hold grudges.
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Old 12-11-2020, 02:48 PM
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Just for the sake of knowledge, follow the bouncing ball here.. Where does the power cord start and end?

https://youtu.be/UchitHGF4n8
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I have no problem with disagreeing.

Let me know if the theory of how AC gets across the primary transformer winding through the core of the transformer via a "magnetic field" into the secondary, then is rectified, converted to DC and is stored in capacitors for the Voltage Rails to be used in amplification stages has anything do with any power cord whatsoever. Because neither myself nor any engineer I have ever spoken to has ever had an explanation for that.

Of course the other side of the argument is I hear it. Blindfolded? No, not really, it all falls apart blindfolded.

McIntosh has never been an advocate for aftermarket cables until recently when they decided the cable game can bring in more revenue so why pass on it. Gordon Gow despised Monster Cable and everything it stood for duping people back in the day.

So the approach of Audio Jewelry is quite acceptable to me where as the other Voodoo approach is not and not for the lack of trying over 30 years. I am not a hypocrite either, having an electronic background, I myself have also gone against logic when it comes to audio.
Yeah old McIntosh manuals used to recommend just using basic lamp cord as speaker wire. I tend to agree with that approach hence the reason all of my cables are either from Monoprice, Blue Jeans, or Benchmark.
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