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Old 04-10-2022, 10:41 AM
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thinking of upgrading my turntable. currently vpi prime 21 with koetsu rosewood signature going directly into mac c1100 built in phono stage. where would i need to be to hear an improvement? wondering if new mac c12000 has a better phono stage. hear great things about sutherland phono stages. thanks for feedback.

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Old 04-10-2022, 11:24 AM
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You have a very nice vinyl setup. An outboard phonostage may be a good way to go. You could also consider a step-up transformer like the Koetsu or Bob's Devices.
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Old 04-10-2022, 11:37 AM
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what does a step up transformer do?
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Old 04-10-2022, 11:52 AM
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Here's a fairly straight-forward explanation:
https://www.henleyaudio.co.uk/step-up-transformers
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K&K Audio also offers some very nice SUTs.

With the Sutherland, care must be taken to match the cartridge to any of the LOCO models. I would not mind owning either a 20/20 or Duo at some point. Some very nice phono preamps.
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With that setup you're already in the upper tier of vinyl listening. I'd spend the cash on more records and enjoy what you've got!
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With that setup you're already in the upper tier of vinyl listening. I'd spend the cash on more records and enjoy what you've got!
Would agree...!
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You have a very nice vinyl setup. An outboard phonostage may be a good way to go. You could also consider a step-up transformer like the Koetsu or Bob's Devices.
I would look at this option. While the phono in the C1100 is nice. It’s not great and I think this is your weakest link.
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anyone know if the phono stage in the new c12000 is better than c1100?
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