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Again 7.1 is for filling space that 5.1 does not do properly. Typically this occurs in an overly wide or overly long room. There is no unique information in the last 2 channels. It is derived from the information in the surround channels. It is not a consideration during mastering. BTW, the ITU-R standard does not call for rear wall placement of the surrounds. It calls for the surround speakers to 110 to 120 degrees off the listening position, and if possible the same distance from the listener as the fronts and center. If the speakers are on the back wall, it is likely your listening chair/couch is closer to the back wall than the distance to the side walls. All that said 7.1 or virtual 5.1 works very well for very large theaters with multiple rows. |
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That is because the surround, not the rears are the channels with discrete information in the 5 channel standard, be it music or film.
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There is no .1 on SACD
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Did you have side quasi-dipoles and add directional rears? Where were(are) the sides mounted? How far are you from the rears? Fronts? Are any speakers set to small? |
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4.2 - Phantom center with powered towers. Not missing the center channel so far.
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LikeCoiledSteel... Welcome!
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1) dipoles, rears are directional 2) surrounds are ear level, on side walls slightly behind the listening position rear surrounds are towers on the back wall toe-in toward the listening position 3) 12 feet from fronts 10 feet from rears 4) all speakers set to small when in HT mode |
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There are many 5.1 SACD's and DVD-A's music discs.
(I think) Maybe just a 6th channel that's redundant. Not sure. I need to do a search now/later... Last edited by KingRT; 11-08-2011 at 10:16 PM. |
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7.1 for me. With the more recent Blu ray's the 7.1 sure sounds more discreet and feeding each rear and side speaker with a whole lot of independent sound effects. I can definitely hear the advantage of some 7.1 soundtracks.
Lossless surround sound formats The newest high-resolution surround formats, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD™ Master Audio, offer up to 7.1 discrete channels of lossless audio. Along with adding two extra rear channels to the standard Dolby Digital and DTS formats, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio discs are encoded with more audio information per channel. In fact, it's identical to the movie studio's original master. That means the improved directionality and more precise effects makes it even closer to the experience of being in a movie theater. Additional discrete 7.1-channel surround formats You may find that some Blu-ray discs are also encoded with other discrete 7.1-channel surround formats. Dolby Laboratories and DTS developed Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD (High Resolution), respectively. These formats deliver 7.1 independent channels of sound. They provide more detailed surround effects than 5.1 Dolby Digital and DTS, though they aren't lossless like Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio. Receivers that support lossless 7.1-channel formats will also support Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD (High Resolution). Last edited by PHC1; 12-22-2011 at 12:48 AM. |
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