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Thanks Glenn, Tony, Stephen, Maks, Ivan, all -
I had not considered a passive step-up transformer - 'SUT', did not know they existed ![]() Mid-level MC cartridge + SUT + MM stage > High Level MM cartridge + MM stage ? (not trying to be cost equal, just not exotic MC cartridges)
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Main - Roon on Synology/Sonos Port/SoTM Neo endpoints; Chord Qutest, Bryston BP-17 cubed with phono option; EAT C-sharp with Ortofon Bronze MM, Bryston cubed Amplifier; Revel F126Be on custom Atocha stands; interconnects by WireWorld, furniture by Atocha Design 'Phones Audeze LCD-3, Bryston BHA-1; Office: Sonos/Roon; OPPO HA-1, Naim NAP100 and PSB Mini-C. Media Room:, Samsung QLED QN90 series, Sonos, OPPO 205, ATI N-core driving KEF LS-50's with REL subs; furniture by Glassisimo; Kids - U-turn for vinyl, Sonos Play5; Summer Shack - Sonos, vintage Pioneer, Dynaudio Special 40's. |
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Unfortunately, the answer is not that simple and it "all depends" (which SUT, which cartridge, etc.).
All this said, I think you have plenty of room left with your EAT & Bryston. Try the Ortofon 2M Black LVB as a significant step-up from the Bronze. For a different flavor, try the Audio-Technica VM740ML. I'm very pleased with my VM540ML. A couple of other areas that could help are the WireWorld Platinum IC (which I use - again, talk to Ivan) between your TA & Bryston and an HRS base to go under your TT. If you decide to go the MC route, an HO model will work fine with what you've got and any or all of these upgrades. For a an LO model, adding a SUT will get you there. As you get to these "better" cartridges, the alignment becomes more critical for optimum results due to their stylus designs (micro-line, Geiger, etc.).
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Glenn... Clearaudio SM Pro Devore 0/93 Denon DP-80 w/AT33R, Benz Glider, Ortofon Cdza Blk & K-b Dual 701 w/AT-VM740ML, AT-MONO3/LP & Ortofon OM30 Focal Bathys Grado GW100V2 Jelco HS-25 McIntosh C22 MkV & MC275 MkVI Nordost Valhalla Oppo 203 Orsonic AV-1b Shanling M3s Shure M97xE Sony ST-J75, ST-A6B, TA-F6B & PS-X75 Sorane SA1-2B Stax UA-7/CF Stillpoints LP1v2 WW Pt, Au & Ag Eclipse 8/7 Yamamoto HS-2 & 4 Yamaha T-2 |
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Agreed, things can get complicated pretty quickly when you enter the world of LOMC and SUTs. The OP already has what appears to be a very nice TT, let's be honest I'm not sure how much of a huge step up he'd get from a VPI Prime (I own 2 VPI TTs so this is not a slight on VPI by any means). I moved up from a 2M Black to a Soundsmith Paua and was blown away, depending on budget I would likely go the MC route and then maybe down the line decide if a different turntable makes sense, or going direct drive over belt.
They're not cheap and don't claim to be, but Bob's Devices makes some great SUTs and he's super helpful if you don't know what you need. There's a user on EBay named nclayton who also makes highly regarded SUTs that are a bit more affordable. That's part of the fun w/analog, there are so many moving parts (literally and figuratively) that you can make tweaks as you see fit. IMO jumping from the 2M Bronze into the MC world will be your biggest improvement, but I know a lot of you guys have more experience than I do in that world. |
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Thanks again. The 2M Black LVB cartridge seems like an excellent first step since I would keep the EAT turntable in any case. I did move up to WW Eclipse 7 IC purchased here on the AA marketplace (Yamaki, perfect transaction).
Have to say, analog is more rewarding than digital, though the learning curve is bit steep at times.
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Main - Roon on Synology/Sonos Port/SoTM Neo endpoints; Chord Qutest, Bryston BP-17 cubed with phono option; EAT C-sharp with Ortofon Bronze MM, Bryston cubed Amplifier; Revel F126Be on custom Atocha stands; interconnects by WireWorld, furniture by Atocha Design 'Phones Audeze LCD-3, Bryston BHA-1; Office: Sonos/Roon; OPPO HA-1, Naim NAP100 and PSB Mini-C. Media Room:, Samsung QLED QN90 series, Sonos, OPPO 205, ATI N-core driving KEF LS-50's with REL subs; furniture by Glassisimo; Kids - U-turn for vinyl, Sonos Play5; Summer Shack - Sonos, vintage Pioneer, Dynaudio Special 40's. Last edited by clpetersen; 02-13-2023 at 06:24 PM. |
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The nice thing about making the upgrades is you can do one-at-a-time to evaluate the improvement from one upgrade to the next.
Also, reading some of the reviewers info can be an enjoyable way to learn. HReichert's lastest in Stereophile cover's a couple of cartridges, pre-amps (of a non-standard genre) and and comments on SUTs. While we all have our preferences, I find HReichert, MFremer, SGuttenburg & ADudley (may he RIP) to be both informative & entertaining when disucssing vinyl.
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Glenn... Clearaudio SM Pro Devore 0/93 Denon DP-80 w/AT33R, Benz Glider, Ortofon Cdza Blk & K-b Dual 701 w/AT-VM740ML, AT-MONO3/LP & Ortofon OM30 Focal Bathys Grado GW100V2 Jelco HS-25 McIntosh C22 MkV & MC275 MkVI Nordost Valhalla Oppo 203 Orsonic AV-1b Shanling M3s Shure M97xE Sony ST-J75, ST-A6B, TA-F6B & PS-X75 Sorane SA1-2B Stax UA-7/CF Stillpoints LP1v2 WW Pt, Au & Ag Eclipse 8/7 Yamamoto HS-2 & 4 Yamaha T-2 |
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Thanks Ivan!
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Main - Roon on Synology/Sonos Port/SoTM Neo endpoints; Chord Qutest, Bryston BP-17 cubed with phono option; EAT C-sharp with Ortofon Bronze MM, Bryston cubed Amplifier; Revel F126Be on custom Atocha stands; interconnects by WireWorld, furniture by Atocha Design 'Phones Audeze LCD-3, Bryston BHA-1; Office: Sonos/Roon; OPPO HA-1, Naim NAP100 and PSB Mini-C. Media Room:, Samsung QLED QN90 series, Sonos, OPPO 205, ATI N-core driving KEF LS-50's with REL subs; furniture by Glassisimo; Kids - U-turn for vinyl, Sonos Play5; Summer Shack - Sonos, vintage Pioneer, Dynaudio Special 40's. |
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Does the new Technics have the molded plastic plinth they used in the ‘70s?
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That is what I have.
With a Lyra Delos and a TEA2SE phono stage. Will be auditioning a Lampizator phono stage and a CJ TEA1b shortly.
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Ariel Acoustics 20TV1 in Danish Rosewood Triangle Art M-200 mono amps Conrad Johmson ET7-S2 pre-amp VPI Signature Prime 21 w/ Lyra Delos w/ Transparent Music Link Ultra and Reference interconnects Stillpoint LPI V2 clamp LampizatOr Horizon DAC REL Carbon Specials (Duals) Transparent speaker wire, Transparent Reference XL XLR's and RCA Shunyata Denali 6000/s V2 Blue Jeans Ethernet Cables Shunyata Omega V2 XC, Venom HC, Sigma and Alpha v2 NR power cords SOtM internet switch w/ps Kirmuss Audio record cleaner- Wally Tools GIK room acoustics and Bass Traps I now have my own man cave/music room ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Like Wilson speaker cabinets, it is made from proprietary materials designed for the specific use.
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Glenn... Clearaudio SM Pro Devore 0/93 Denon DP-80 w/AT33R, Benz Glider, Ortofon Cdza Blk & K-b Dual 701 w/AT-VM740ML, AT-MONO3/LP & Ortofon OM30 Focal Bathys Grado GW100V2 Jelco HS-25 McIntosh C22 MkV & MC275 MkVI Nordost Valhalla Oppo 203 Orsonic AV-1b Shanling M3s Shure M97xE Sony ST-J75, ST-A6B, TA-F6B & PS-X75 Sorane SA1-2B Stax UA-7/CF Stillpoints LP1v2 WW Pt, Au & Ag Eclipse 8/7 Yamamoto HS-2 & 4 Yamaha T-2 |
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