Toe in with the D3 series vs. Previous Series?

[Patrick Butler]

How far apart are your speakers from each other and your primary listening position?

Regards,

Patrick

Originally Posted by bruno2009

Hi Patrick,
that`s the way I always do it. I "mark" the spikes (or their plates) with a pencil and then use the inner mark as a "fix point" when I toe in the speakers equally by pushing the rear toward the outside.

I have just never toed them in to cross before my listening position.

I found toeing them in further than minimal (about 3 cm depth from outer to inner spike) to bring no significant advantage in imaging ( they produce an amazing center stage even with a very open setup) but you get a loss in stage/width.

So I went back to an open setup.

What`s the official advice for setup by B&W in America (just out of curiosity) ?

[bruno2009]

Patrick , measuring from center to center of the speaker that`s 2,8 Meters (3,06 yards) apart and 3 Meters (3,3 yards) to the listening position.

[Patrick Butler]

Hi Bruno2009,

Officially, we recommend more toe-in for a setup such as yours. Presuming that your speakers are locked-in front to back (crudely speaking, they are the same distance away from the wall behind them) my setups feature tweeters crossing 3-4 feet behind my head. The precise amount varies with distance apart, distance away from the listener and the degree of absorption or reflection from the various wall surfaces. When done properly, you get a wide and deep soundstage with precise placement of images in the soundstage.

Regards,

Patrick
B&W Group North America

Originally Posted by bruno2009

Patrick , measuring from center to center of the speaker that`s 2,8 Meters (3,06 yards) apart and 3 Meters (3,3 yards) to the listening position.

[bruno2009]

Hi Patrick - thanx for your reply (talking 802 Diamonds - not D3s). I`ll try toeing in my 802 Diamonds some more (yes - they are set up at the same distance to the back and the side wall - about one meter from each).

Always great to hear other opinios and experiment some -

[Birdy1062]

An old thread I know....

But, was wondering if anybody else had a more recent experience (positive or negative) with that kind of extreme toe-in?

Birdy

[Alex04]

It would also be good to know if there are particular tracks commonly played, within the trade, when setting up speakers.

[Masterlu]

Alexuk… Welcome to AA!

[Alex04]

Thanks, I've been a long time lurker
I'm interested in this post as I've just upgraded to 803d3. I've had various b&w speakers for the last 25 years but a newcomer to Mcintosh, now I have mc452 and c53 (along side an Arcam 5.1 system, bypassed). I'm loving it all! But always looking for improvements.

Just need to sort out a random high pitched click/pop through the tweeters when it all turns on/off....

[audio bill]

Originally Posted by Alexuk

Thanks, I've been a long time lurker
I'm interested in this post as I've just upgraded to 803d3. I've had various b&w speakers for the last 25 years but a newcomer to Mcintosh, now I have mc452 and c53 (along side an Arcam 5.1 system, bypassed). I'm loving it all! But always looking for improvements.

Just need to sort out a random high pitched click/pop through the tweeters when it all turns on/off....

Don't want to insult your audiophile pedigree, but the proper power up sequence is to always turn on the preamp first waiting until it's stable and then turn on the power amp. Power down in opposite order, power amp off first and then turn off the preamp (if you don't choose to leave it on.)

[Alex04]

No problem, thanks though. I was aware of that and have a question. I assume the triggers on the c53 all trigger at the same time? No way of a delayed trigger to the amp?
I didn't really want to lose everything turning on together but for sake of my tweeters I may have to go manual, not sure if the wife will cope🤔