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Old 12-13-2020, 01:33 PM
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I don't need a streamer that exceeds the specs of my own DAC but my DAC far exceeds the specs of Roon/Tidal/Qobuz Max on Qobuz is 192/24

I buy high res in DSD (really less than 50 albums so far) as high as I can go on my DAC:

(PCM) 384kHz (16, 24, 32bits)
USB input (DSD) : 2.82M, 5.64MHz (1bit)
COAX/OPT 192kHz (16, 20, 24bits)

So hopefully it will keep serving me well for quite some time.
And it will... I mean realistically, above 44.1 sampling rates are arguably lost on dog ears and bats... Just as turn tables aren't out of date, a DAC that is well made, had a good analogue output section that can play 192kHz PCM and 2XDSD or lower will always sound good... even in 100 years.
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Old 12-13-2020, 01:42 PM
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And it will... I mean realistically, above 44.1 sampling rates are arguably lost on dog ears and bats... Just as turn tables aren't out of date, a DAC that is well made, had a good analogue output section that can play 192kHz or lower will always sound good... even in 100 years.
The "upsampled" high resolution music that is available for purchase has failed to impress me. The MQA without a full MQA unfold has so far not only failed to impress me but has turned me off with the penalty of listening to it with a non-MQA dac and the often louder/harsher presentation vs Qobuz of the same album. The Qobuz 192/24 music is very analog smooth but again ultimately depends on the recording.

So what does that leave us? For a truly impressive high resolution material, there is only the high resolution recorded music. Such as the https://www.soundliaison.com/

When music is actually captured in high resolution gear to begin with, such as their DXD 352,8 kHz, ONE MIC recording with minimal processing of any kind.... Well, that is the ONE to listen to! Jaw drop...

My friend is still listening to his Krell Studio DAC and MD20 transport from more than 25 years ago. It sounds awesome on REDBOOK.

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Old 12-13-2020, 01:47 PM
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Off-topic but this is my own thread.

Krell among a few others used to build some seriously good looking gear back in the day.

I don't think Dan D'Agostino has ever changed on the aesthetics are important philosophy.


http://www.hifitimereview.com/krell-md-20-cd-transport/


http://www.vintagehificlub.com/wp-co...13/06/md20.jpg

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I always wanted one of those Krell disc spinners. Don’t hear much about them anymore.
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Old 12-13-2020, 02:34 PM
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Roon Network Streamer


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Yes, I have looked at them before. Price aside, one can build a similar device for roughly 60% cheaper, a complete one box solution for a Roon core and straight out to the DAC via USB has always been the logical approach to me.

The question and the debate as far as I know, still remains the USB to DAC from a computer is not as good as a streamer?

Has anyone actually compared those scenarios? Roon core straight to DAC vs Roon via streamer?
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I always wanted one of those Krell disc spinners. Don’t hear much about them anymore.
Took a while to find a replacement laser assembly (more than just a few years for my friend) but we finally found a NOS laser assembly for that Krell and now it should be good for another quarter of a century. It was out of commission for nearly 6 years before we finally fixed it. Fortunately the laser assembly dropped in and everything worked without any drama. Good looking machine!

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Yes, I have looked at them before. Price aside, one can build a similar device for roughly 60% cheaper, a complete one box solution for a Roon core and straight out to the DAC via USB has always been the logical approach to me.

The question and the debate as far as I know, still remains the USB to DAC from a computer is not as good as a streamer?

Has anyone actually compared those scenarios? Roon core straight to DAC vs Roon via streamer?

Serge, I'm only a Roon newbie.
But as far as I understand, you need a Roon endpoint also.
A core can't directly stream to a DAC.
Of course there are Roon cores that are renderers also, like my streamer (which also upsamples and reclocks everything).
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Took a while to find a replacement laser assembly (more than just a few years for my friend) but we finally found a NOS laser assembly for that Krell and now it should be good for another quarter of a century. It was out of commission for nearly 6 years before we finally fixed it. Fortunately the laser assembly dropped in and everything worked without any drama. Good looking machine!

Brings back fond memories, I had the MD10 transport and sold it because replacement parts would not be available. Sold mine while it was still working properly.
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Serge, I'm only a Roon newbie.
But as far as I understand, you need a Roon endpoint also.
A core can't directly stream to a DAC.
Of course there are Roon cores that are renderers also, like my streamer (which also upsamples and reclocks everything).
Pretty sure you can Bart.

Developed in partnership with Intel, the Nucleus sits on your network acting as a Roon Server Core for your NAS or USB drive-based music library. Roon can also stream from your Tidal account and make it all available to any and every Roon endpoint you have. Roon built a custom based operating system around the Intel NUC board. The Nucleus is housed in a special casing and runs fanless so it can be placed with your hi-fi equipment if you want to connect it via USB to your DAC.
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