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It is about experience with Shindo or A23 ICs. I stated that I have no experience and do not plan to have one except maybe for trying A23 cables and Laurent and an other member stated that there are better cables out there, even to be used with Shindo. This initiated the answer of Jonathan about the danger of using non SWC plugs which looked liked " ok if you do not buy them for the sound, at least buy them for the sake of your gear ! " We are right in the middle of the topic. Why so much curiosity about my dealer ? Importations / sales to Europe are ILLEGAL. Do you know what does it mean ? So I won't mention any name but dealers all over the world including dealers in the US sell and send Shindo gear in 230V to customers in Europe. Satisfied ?
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Just to let you know : my very best friends here know who is my dealer and they won't say a word either !
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Good stuff. I am pleased you have gear your love. The laws in Europe are stupid - great that you have found a source.
It would be cool if you could get some auditorium demo cables to see if the synergy works for you as it has for others. |
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I will contact Keith to see if he can send me some cables to try.
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It is good to know the way you are thinking about others. I am impressed by the level of your self-esteem. Shine a light. |
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You honestly believe that you criticizing Shindo "drives me nuts?" Brother, it's freaking electronics. Talking about my family would drive me nuts. I don't really have that kind of passion for electronic doo dads. Sure I like the gear, but wow, this is a symptom of your Shindo paranoia. Symptom #2: you are using your Shindo in a "non-authorized" way. Ok. Lots of Shindo owners think Wilson speakers are lame. I happen to just think they are ugly. But not because I own Shindo. I also own Magico speakers and Jeff Rowland electronics. I hope my cult meetings do not conflict! Also, not friends with Art. Seems like a cool guy though. Back to driving me nuts and speaking my mind, since you asked in your crusade for truth and justice. Can Shindo be criticized? Sure - done it myself. On this issue? My opinion is that you are all worked up over nothing. This info is not hidden. If your dealer didn't mention it, bad job. Take it up with him. If someone didn't buy it from and dealer and didn't know because it isn't written down, well, too bad. Here let me shout it back at you: GO BUY FROM A DEALER. Shindo is well within their right to do whatever the heck they want. Enjoy your 1/2 off savings. Everything comes with a price tho. I'll grant you that Shindo is a bit more atypical in their approach than ARC or McIntosh. But that's what you get if you want the gear. I happen to not like those other brands, so I play by the rules of the Shindo game. So let me be more clear...I happen to think you are being a bit silly. A crusade? Shining the light? You realize we are talking about 1k cables right? That happen to be made of silver. What do you think the dealer gets from a sale. What do you think the importer gets? In the context if selling 10-20k preamps, for example, do you really think that anyone is going to make an obvious and easily discovered misrepresentation to earn $500 on a cable sale? That's not just bad business, it's bad economics. Here is a cable controversy: I also happen to know a very nice person who is a Nordost dealer. Go find one and ask the cost on a pair Odins. Hint: you can cable your entire system with Shindo on the spread. Audio - no shortage of crusades for the angry consumer. My position - you gotta make a living. If the consumer doesn't like it, he can pick another brand. Last edited by kev313; 06-02-2013 at 10:40 AM. |
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Also, I should add one final thought just so my loyalties, allegiances, and line of thought is clear: I enjoy lots of different kinds of audio gear. I enjoy the Shindo sound. I enjoy other presentations also. I am not married to anything but my wife. For this reason I am personally offended by the charge that I am a member of some secret club. It's just not how I roll, ok?
I can also add that I have communicated with people who have had criticisms of the brand that are grounded in reality and that I - having an opinion and not a team - have agreed with these people from time to time. I also have found that I have been contacted by a number of kooks, loonies, and wackos, who seem to want to criticize Shindo for general unfairness. The common theme with these people is that they seem to want to own Shindo, but not pay for it. There. I said it. I happen to believe that a counter sect exists. An underground revolution. Anti capitalists. They want to be a part of the secret society but believe that it should be free to the people. They criticize anything that looks like a policy from a dealer or importer or anything that goes to the question of the value of the Shindo product. But they all own Shindo (usually second hand) or want to. Draw your own conclusions. |
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I'm not a Shindo owner anymore since my son was born. I feared for the safety of the gear and for him accidentally touching a glowing tube or pulling a speaker down on himself. So I have no bias here.
I wanted to comment that I was not aware of the switchcraft fragility concern either and it was not mentioned to me any time through my dealer. Granted I bought one pair of Shindo IC's right off the bat so maybe it was unnecessary to raise the issue but it would've been nice to know in the event I was a cable "wiggler" or if I wanted to A/B against something else. There has been no mention of this issue online or in print until this thread and the current issue of Stereophile where Art mentioned he's had to replace his female RCA connections multiple times due to the constant plugging/unplugging for reviewing gear due to this issue. In hindsight, I do think this is something that requires more disclosure. Anyway I'm not going to debate here but did want to share my experience.
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