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The VPI HW27 Typhoon is service free. I've had two of them. The first one, for many years with never an issue. The second one just recently purchased. The owners manual in both did not suggest interval 'service'. There is reasonable care...keep it clean and do not use harsh chemicals. The Klaudio and Audio Desk owners manuals do not suggest any interval 'service' either. There is reasonable care...keep it clean and do not use harsh chemicals. However, if any of these RCMs break down, that's not a service, that's a repair. Prices for repair, that I do not know. As you know, the issue with the Klaudio that I had generously handled under warranty. Prices? The Klaudio MSRP is $4,000 and of course, Ivan offers this at a discount to AA subscribers. The Audio Desk MSRP is $4,000 - $4,250 and the VPI HRW 27 Typhoon MSRP is $2,500. Of course, all these prices are negotiable. With the exception of the Klaudio [I didn't know Ivan yet, sadly] I purchased the VPI at a 25% discount and the Audio Desk at a 30% discount. Time to clean the records, well...thats a large variable. I am OCD about. For me, each record navigating through all the machines 15 minutes. Failures rates...scary! |
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Thanks, Dan. I'll re-edit my post above. Last edited by Golucid; 05-09-2015 at 12:09 AM. |
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David.......My question with respect to the proprietary cleaning fluid Autodesk requires and sells is how does it get rinsed off the vinyl before the record goes into the drying cycle? Even your VPI record cleaner requires a rinse and vacuum cycle. This is one of the advantages I see with the Klaudio record cleaner. Nothing but distilled water and ultrasonic waves are applied to the vinyl. No residual cleaning agent residue is left in the grooves. From my point of view any residue left on the record, proprietary or not, doesn't strike me as a good thing.
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Dan STUDIO - McIntosh C1000C/P, MC2301 (2), MR88, Aurender N10, Esoteric K-01X, Shunyata Sigma spdif digital cable, Sonos Connect, PurePower 2000, Stillpoints, Furutech Flux 50, Michell Gyro SE, Michell HR Power Supply, SME 309, Ortofon Cadenza Black, Wireworld, Sonus faber Amati Anniversario LIVING ROOM - McIntosh C2300, MC75 (2), MR85, Magnum Dynalab 205, Simaudio MOON Neo 260D-T, Schiit Audio Yggdrasil, Aurender N100H, Shunyata Sigma USB cable, Micro Seiki DD40, Ortofon Cadenza Blue, Nakamichi BX-300, Sony 60ES DAT, PS Audio P10, Furutech Flux 50, Sonos Connect, Stillpoints, Wireworld, Kimber, PMC EB1i, JL Audio f113 VINTAGE - McIntosh MA230, Tandberg 3011A tuner, Olive 04HD, Sony DTC-59ES DAT, McIntosh 4300V, JBL 4312A Last edited by jdandy; 05-09-2015 at 12:16 AM. |
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On point is that my OCD cleaning requirements exceed likely every one on AA. I expect perfection! For me, snap crackle pop and static is intolerable and unacceptable -- with the exception of the ever so slight sound of the stylus traveling through the grooves and this is heard at the lead, track transitions and end points of the vinyl. My threshold is fragile, I get bent out of shape if I detect any abnormality/flaw/etc. Last edited by Golucid; 05-09-2015 at 01:45 AM. |
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Aside from cost, time and effort (and the tendency of some cartridge/phono stage combinations to emphasize surface noise, as you point out), the condition of the records - in particular what contamination they suffered-makes a difference too. It was only when I started acquiring a lot of 40+ year old UK pressings that didn't improve in a single, good cleaning by any method that I doubled down and started to explore combining multiple methods for 'problem' records. And, my methods, machines, fluids vary, depending on the record. I'm entirely machine agnostic, I use what gets me the best results on a given record. But, that does mean multiple machines, fluids, and steps for the "problem" records. |
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No matter how many times over and over cleaning my vinyl through any of the ultrasonic RCMs, it wasn't until I used a physical contact RCM (VPI) that I reached sonic nirvana. I am in a unique position, I concurantly have and use all three machines everyday and am able to compare. Last edited by Golucid; 05-09-2015 at 10:49 AM. |
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I've made essentially the same comparisons, owned both ultrasonics and also use a vac machine, as mentioned (still have an old VPI, but using the Monks). If you try the new Clearaudio 'sonic,' let us know. I can try it, but right now have too much on my plate, so that's not going to happen immediately. |
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Tell me about that Monks. I am intrigued. Since you have had these machines, you decided on Monks. Why? This must be true winner! Last edited by Golucid; 05-09-2015 at 10:51 AM. |
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I use the V8 ultrasonic cleaning system and I can't live without it. Nothing out there will clean as many records as effortlessly and quietly as these tanks. They have their faults as well, but really the amount of records I come home with each week I can't get clean any other way. It's like doing the laundry or running the dishwasher, in less than an hour after work I can have 32 records cleaned run through the tank while I do other things during the 10 minute cycle.
While they are drying I can clean up the covers, pulling stickers and dusting them. I don't vacuum dry as it can introduce more static, not to mention I don't want to listen to it. In fact the best thing about cleaning this way is with the heat and ultrasonic the records expand and contract a bit. This action pulls out every bit of static on the record, when dried a light wipe with an old cotton lint rag and any dust falls to the floor. Into a new polly sleeve and the covers they go and then to the library. I can pull records to play and they don't even need to be dusted prior to the needle drop. Now these Chines tanks do not last forever and my first one died after 1600 records @ around 40 hours run time at a replacment cost of $350. That said there is steps I learned not to kill the tank early so my second tank has cleaned 2300 records and is going very strong. Looking at the tanks or any cleaning method we want to reduce cost per disc, time and our hearing loss, these tanks fit the bill to do large collections at pennies per record and restore excellent sound quality. The first 1600 I cleaned in less than a month, lately I have been pissy farting around and been using this method for around 8 months. Anyone else clean 3,900 records in that time? Last edited by 427; 05-09-2015 at 11:01 AM. |
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