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Old 12-22-2020, 11:10 AM
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Please don't take this as a dig against Wilson, but I've always believed that their upper model pricing was a bit ludicrous. Of course you could say that about any number of high end audio brands. Charging as much as they do for these speakers and requiring professional installation/assembly to validate their full and what I consider to be lame warranty, has always been a turnoff to me. Any speaker system that requires precise placement and adjustment to sound what some so-called professional deems as perfect, just doesn't add much overall satisfaction. I wonder if any Wilson owners are afraid to listen to their systems unless they are in their so-called perfect listening position? I can't enjoy my music if I have to sit like a statue while listening. It's all too analytical for me. Oh, by the way, I've heard quite a few Wilson speakers at shows, dealer show rooms and in a few owner's homes, and while I thought they sounded pretty good, I've never been overly impressed. The old Sabrina or new Sabrina X would probably be the only ones I'd seriously consider owning because of their best bang for the buck approach as compared to their other models. And, as far as trying to convince my wife that they'd look great in our home....forget about it. Anyway, I hope you thoroughly enjoy your new toys. We all have our own priorities and systematic approaches in audio component evaluation.
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Old 12-22-2020, 11:53 AM
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Please don't take this as a dig against Wilson, but I've always believed that their upper model pricing was a bit ludicrous. Of course you could say that about any number of high end audio brands. Charging as much as they do for these speakers and requiring professional installation/assembly to validate their full and what I consider to be lame warranty, has always been a turnoff to me. Any speaker system that requires precise placement and adjustment to sound what some so-called professional deems as perfect, just doesn't add much overall satisfaction. I wonder if any Wilson owners are afraid to listen to their systems unless they are in their so-called perfect listening position? I can't enjoy my music if I have to sit like a statue while listening. It's all too analytical for me. Oh, by the way, I've heard quite a few Wilson speakers at shows, dealer show rooms and in a few owner's homes, and while I thought they sounded pretty good, I've never been overly impressed. The old Sabrina or new Sabrina X would probably be the only ones I'd seriously consider owning because of their best bang for the buck approach as compared to their other models. And, as far as trying to convince my wife that they'd look great in our home....forget about it. Anyway, I hope you thoroughly enjoy your new toys. We all have our own priorities and systematic approaches in audio component evaluation.
Please don't take this as a dig? That's right up there with To be honest or With all due respect or When did you stop beating your wife?

It's not a problem that you do not enjoy nor are you interested in owning a Wilson loudspeaker. You pay your money and you make your choice. Our industry and the hobby wins no matter that choice

You might want to ask a few more Wilson owners what they think of their experiences with their speakers, their set ups, their listening habits, and their customer service. I suspect you will find that their views don't align with yours. You will also likely find that their current Wilson loudspeaker is not their first.

That said, as one who has been in this industry 45 years, I am always pleased to hear that someone has an approach and result that pleases them. Enjoy!
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Old 12-22-2020, 12:48 PM
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"You might want to ask a few more Wilson owners what they think of their experiences with their speakers, their set ups, their listening habits, and their customer service. I suspect you will find that their views don't align with yours. You will also likely find that their current Wilson loudspeaker is not their first".

Oh, I have. I personally know a few who have happily moved on from Wilson speakers. I'm also a good friend of a long time and current Wilson dealer. I won't divulge his opinions. I applaud Wilson's supposed quest for audio perfection, but even a cost-no-object, low volume approach will never get them there. It's unachievable now and probably always will be no matter how hard you want to believe it. As audio geeks, we should all be thankful for the variety of options we have in this hobby.
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:33 PM
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Oh, I have. I personally know a few who have happily moved on from Wilson speakers. I'm also a good friend of a long time and current Wilson dealer. I won't divulge his opinions. I applaud Wilson's supposed quest for audio perfection, but even a cost-no-object, low volume approach will never get them there. It's unachievable now and probably always will be no matter how hard you want to believe it. As audio geeks, we should all be thankful for the variety of options we have in this hobby.
One size does not fit all. It's perfectly fine and expected that some move on and some join. As long as more continue to join than move on, we'll continue to be fine.

Striving for Authentic Excellence is something most appreciate whether they ever purchase Wilsons or not. We appreciate any Wilson owner, whether he has purchased a new speaker or a previously owned speaker.

I would think that if there is a long time Wilson dealer who has such opinions of the company and his relationship with it is as you suggest, perhaps it is his time to move on too.

Just as with audio fans, dealers have many choices.

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Aesthetics will always be a highly subjective and personal preference type of a concept. Whether the Wife Acceptance Factor comes into play or not is also not a universal standard.

One thing for sure though, the chances of optimizing each driver with its own module/enclosure where it can be precisely fine tuned to the volume/design/phase/timing/relationship to other modules in the highly modular approach of the Wilson Big Boys has always made perfect sense to me. Driving the cabinet resonance out of the equation and into the sub 20Hz resonance range with the help of advanced polymers/advanced cabinet building materials and techniques is quite an accomplishment.

Can't handle the price tag? Wife can't get over the Big Robots in the living room? Don't like the Wilson house sound? All viable and understandable reasons not to engage. Judging by the rather enthusiastic reviews and owner feedback of the Wilson products, there are many happy owners out there.

I had the pleasure and experience of going up the Wilson product line some years back. It was a fantastic experience of various Wilson speaker ownership. One better than the next and my local Wilson dealer did a fantastic job of accommodating my needs and desires as well as making the trade up ridiculously easy and impossible to say NO to with full trade in allowance for a vertical upgrade. That experience was and still is unmatched to this day.

I may have taken a detour for some time and enjoying the relatively modest and good sounding pair of Harbeth speakers currently but in the famous Hollywood movie phrase.... "I'll BE BACK!"

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"I would think that if there is a long time Wilson dealer who has such opinions of the company and his relationship with it as you suggest, perhaps it is his time to move on too".

First, you're making an assumption since I never gave this dealer's opinion. Second, is it inconceivable that some Wilson dealers actually carry Wilson speakers to provide their customers with side to side comparisons with other brands they sell? That's a common sales tactic used by many audio dealers. The best audio dealers, in my opinion, offer many different flavors at different price points. The more options, the better.
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"I would think that if there is a long time Wilson dealer who has such opinions of the company and his relationship with it as you suggest, perhaps it is his time to move on too".

First, you're making an assumption since I never gave this dealer's opinion. Second, is it inconceivable that some Wilson dealers actually carry Wilson speakers to provide their customers with side to side comparisons with other brands they sell? That's a common sales tactic used by many audio dealers. The best audio dealers, in my opinion, offer many different flavors at different price points. The more options, the better.
I believe you have already stated your opinion on the Chronosonic XVX as this thread was intended to discuss? Going further with your opinion on the brand you do not have any desire in engaging with is rather pointless?

I agree on the fact that there are many, many speakers to choose from and we are fortunate to have companies that continue to innovate and impress with products in various price ranges, from mild to absolutely wild.

Insinuating that a Wilson dealer is carrying the brand to sell other speakers with side by side comparison is neither logical nor very productive since that subjective opinion can neither be confirmed nor proved without involving the actual party.

Let's move on.
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One size does not fit all. It's perfectly fine and expected that some move on and some join. As long as more continue to join than move on, we'll continue to be fine.

Striving for Authentic Excellence is something most appreciate whether they ever purchase Wilsons or not. We appreciate any Wilson owner, whether he has purchased a new speaker or a previously owned speaker.

I would think that if there is a long time Wilson dealer who has such opinions of the company and his relationship with it is as you suggest, perhaps it is his time to move on too.

Just as with audio fans, dealers have many choices.
+1. Having been in the speaker industry myself for several decades i can appreciate and respect what Wilson has done and continues to do. I worked with Marco Karpodines developing the Delphi and later Delphi Imager speaker, we built everything from scratch including the drivers at our small factory in Encino Ca.so i know the trials and tribulations at every facet of the industry.

The San Fernando Valley was the hub of the industry at the time and it was common to have get togethers with other manufactures. It was during one of these get togethers that i met Dave Wilson we would always hang out together and i had the good fortune to experience the development of the original WAMM system. After i left the industry i slowly lost contact with Dave but i continued to admire his work and the company itself.

Today i own one of his early works the Watt Puppy 5.1 and not one of my own creations and until i can afford to move up the line to a newer model i`am very happy. Wilsons have stood the test of time.
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I just love products like the XVX as their tour-de-force technology inevitably moves into more modest denizens of the product range. In my view Wilson has earned the privilege of ascending the heights of capability and price over a long period of time. Are they for me? Probably not. Do I care? Nope!

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