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Old 02-03-2022, 04:37 PM
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Thx gents. Good ideas both. Perhaps I should widen my search......
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Old 02-05-2022, 12:31 AM
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45shooter, I would go without doubt with the Wilson Watt/Puppy 5. On eBay they are for sale for 6K and you could probably get a pair for less. Wilson's have almost unlimited ability to play loud without strain.

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Old 02-05-2022, 04:42 PM
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I see them advertised. I never heard any wilsons. Not much love here or other audio sites about wilson. I suppose since theyre incredibly expensive

That said i will take ur advice and poke around and see if i can find a pair for sale so i can hear em. TY for the suggestion friend
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Old 02-05-2022, 06:58 PM
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I had 2 pairs of JBL L300’s. One pair in use, the other believe it or not was brand new in the box, for the last 38 years.

The latter was just sold to a very lucky AA’r here. I never even listed them for sale.

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I spent quite a bit of time with the new Klipsch Jubilee's and there cannot be many speakers that are their equal for Rock n' Roll.
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Old 02-06-2022, 12:43 AM
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Wow those summits r nice. Darn hard to find tho. U prolly dont wanna but if u do......
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Old 02-06-2022, 01:41 AM
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I had 2 pairs of JBL L300’s. One pair in use, the other believe it or not was brand new in the box, for the last 38 years.

The latter was just sold to a very lucky AA’r here. I never even listed them for sale.


VERY lucky AA’r! Delivery is scheduled for Monday. The room is prepped, the turntable is dialed in, and a new Balanced Audio Technology power amplifier (VK-76SE) should arrive the same day. I’ve cleared my schedule. [emoji16]
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Old 02-06-2022, 01:48 AM
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VERY lucky AA’r! Delivery is scheduled for Monday. The room is prepped, the turntable is dialed in, and a new Balanced Audio Technology power amplifier (VK-76SE) should arrive the same day. I’ve cleared my schedule. [emoji16]
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Reference System: ACCUPHASE A300 AMPS, C3900 PRE-AMP, DP1000 CD/SACD TRANSPORT, DC1000 DIGITAL PROCESSOR, DG-68 DIGITAL EQUALIZER, T1200 FM STEREO TUNER, PS1230 POWER SUPPLY, HRS-SXR CUSTOM RACK w/ M3X SHELVES, TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, WW PLATINUM CABLES
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MX150, MC501(2) MC1.2KW(10) MC2301(2) MR88, MVP881, MCD1100, MDA1000, C1000C/P/T, MPC1500, ESOTERIC K-01X 30th ANNIVERSARY (BLACK) SACD/CD PLAYER, G02-X CLOCK, HT3F(2) XRT2K, XCS2K, XR27(2) JL GOTHAM v2 SUBS(2) JL FATHOM F113v2 SUBS(4) SOUND ANCHOR STANDS(2) KALEIDESCAPE STRATO & TERRA SERVERS 80-TB, LUMAGEN RADIANCE SCALER, SONY VPH-G90U 4K PROJECTOR, STEWART 120" SCREEN, SONUS FABER STRADIVARI, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, FORTRESS SEATING, WW PLATINUM CABLES
Analog Rig: CLEARAUDIO INNOVATION WOOD, UNIVERSAL ARM w/ Da VINCI' CART, 2nd UNIVERSAL ARM w/ GOLDFINGER STATEMENT CART, HRS-MXR REFERENCE RACK-GLOSS BLACK w/ M3X SHELVES, AESTHETIX RHEA SIG PHONO-PRE, BRYSTON BHA-1 HEADPHONE AMP, WW PLATINUM CABLES
Reference System: BURMESTER 911MK3 AMP(3), 088 PRE-AMP, 089 CD PLAYER, 100 PHONO PRE-AMP, 948 POWER CONDITIONER, ACCUPHASE DG-68 VOICING EQUALIZER, AVID ACUTUS REFERENCE SP TT, GRAHAM PHANTOM II SUPREME ARM, BENZ MICRO LP-S CART, GRANDIOSO P1X/D1X STACK, G1X RUBIDIUM MASTER CLOCK, N05 NETWORK PLAYER, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, HRS-SXR CUSTOM RACK w/ M3X SHELVES, SONUS FABER AIDA SPEAKERS, JL FATHOM F113v2 SUBS(2) SOUND ANCHOR STANDS(2) WW PLATINUM CABLES

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Esoteric/Bryston System: ESOTERIC C02-X PRE-AMP, P-02X TRANSPORT, D02-X DAC, G02-X CLOCK, BRYSTON 28B3 CUBED MONOBLOCK AMPS(4), BRYSTON BHA-1 HEADPHONE AMP, SHUNYATA DENALI 6000/S v2(2) EVEREST 8000 POWER CONDITIONER(2) ALTAIRA CG & SG HUBS, AMR-DP777-SE DAC, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, QUADRASPIRE RACK, WW PLATINUM CABLES
Accuphase/Canton System: ACCUPHASE E800 INTEGRATED, DP570 CD/SACD PLAYER, T1200 FM STEREO TUNER, DG-68 VOICING EQUALIZER, PS530 POWER SUPPLY, CANTON REF K3’s, CANTON REF K5’s, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, HRS MXR REFERENCE MAHOGHANY RACK w/ M3X2 SHELVES, WW GOLD CABLES
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Old 02-06-2022, 01:59 AM
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I see them advertised. I never heard any wilsons. Not much love here or other audio sites about wilson. I suppose since theyre incredibly expensive

That said i will take ur advice and poke around and see if i can find a pair for sale so i can hear em. TY for the suggestion friend
45shooter, I believe other than you saying you have not heard Wilson's you are not accurate. Wilsons are among the most popular high end speakers. Quote from Stereophile Mike Fremer September 2003 his review of the Watt/Puppy 7: "Wilson's website claims that the WATT/Puppy is the best-selling over-$10,000 loudspeaker in history. I have no way of verifying that claim, nor can I figure out how Wilson can make it—privately held companies are under no obligation to reveal sales figures. But any speaker that's been in constant production in one iteration or another for more than 17 years, as the WATT/Puppy has, must have impressive stats, "best-selling" or otherwise. Somebody besides recording engineers must love them."

Many thousands of these speakers have been sold. Wilson is IMO the most popular of all high end audio speakers.

Here's what Wilson Audio has to say concerning the Watt/Puppy 5: "The addition of the Puppy 5 woofer system added dynamic heft to the already startling transparency of the WATT 5. Harmonic integrity was improved and bass extension dropped cleanly below 30Hz. Considered one of the very finest music and video speaker systems available for critical home application, the WATT / Puppy 5 system was also the most universal reference tool for high end audio designers."

I believe you said you were looking for a rock and roll speaker. It is well known that Wilson's have a jump factor, an ability to go from medium to loud to deafening without strain or fatigue. You amp will give out long before the Wilson

4K may be out of your price range but that's 2K per speaker. The other good thing about Wilsons is that you can send the speaker back to the factory for reconditioning. None of these speakers will come close to matching a Watt/Puppy 5's dynamic range and sound quality, IMO. Many thousands of these speakers remain in use.

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Charles. Wow. Thx for that great response. I will have to delve more deeply into the wattpuppys capabilities. I always see the other models for sasha thor hammer etc...again TY
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