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Old 09-09-2022, 05:01 PM
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If you have an Everest and all your equipment is plugged into it then you are already grounded. Correct?
Nope, you do not have either the chassis ground; or signal ground that the Altaira is designed to do.

All you have is an earth ground. This is not nearly the same.
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Old 09-09-2022, 08:29 PM
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If you have an Everest and all your equipment is plugged into it then you are already grounded. Correct?
Okay, some clarification here. If you have your equipment plugged into an Everest power distributor (PD) with standard IEC-type 3-prong plugs, as Ivan as correctly pointed out, your components have a "safety" connection to "earth ground".

This safety ground connection, however, does not remove ground-plane noise from the components in the system. This what the GP-NR terminals on Shunyata power distributors do and to a significantly greater extent, what the Altaira Ground Hubs do.

So...if you have a chassis ground (sometimes referred to as "earth ground") terminal on your component, as many Asian components do, e.g. those from Aurender, Lumin, etc., you can connect a Shunyata chassis ground cable from that component's chassis ground terminal to one of the GP-NR terminals of your Everest, etc., and obtain a significant audible improvement in form of a lower noise floor, and less "hash and grain" from the Shunyata's GP-NR (ground-plane noise reduction) system.

A dedicated chassis ground terminal on a Lumin U2 Mini...why don't all American and European companies do this anymore?




Alternatively, by running the appropriate test using an ohm meter, you may also be able to use an external chassis fastener to make a connection to chassis ground if the component does not have a "dedicated" chassis ground terminal. The caveat here is that for safety reasons you must run a test with an ohm meter and obtain a reading of <1 ohm to be able to safely and properly use that chassis fastener as a chassis ground connection point to a GP-NR terminal on Shunyata PD. This is because some chassis have painted or powder-coated chassis, and that fastener may not make a connection to chassis ground ground because of the coating. This is why running the test with the ohm meter is 'mission-critical".

Here's a photo showing connecting an Alpha ground cable connected to the chassis ground terminal of my EtherREGEN. By connecting this ground cable from EtherREGEN to one of the GP-NR terminals on an Everest, Denali, Sigma, Alpha, Delta, and Venom PDs, etc., you'll hear a notable improvement. You can thank John Swenson of UpTone for being an excellent and disciplined engineer and putting a proper chassis ground terminal on EtherREGEN



See those black binding posts on the back of Everest? Those are the GP-NR ground posts. They're there for a reason. Use 'em!



What the Altaira Ground Hubs do when added to a system is extend and enhance the magnitude and quality of ground-plane noise reduction (GP-NR) functionality of an Everest, and other Shunyata PDs for even more of an audible improvement.
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Old 09-09-2022, 08:49 PM
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By how much does the Altaira ‘extend’ the improvement? $3,000 worth?
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By how much does the Altaira ‘extend’ the improvement? $3,000 worth?
“When properly applied, the ALTAIRA Ground System will yield jaw-dropping results that can be achieved in no other way. We would liken the benefit to replacing an older, very affordable commodity power product with an Everest/Omega XC combination. In other words, the improvements are dramatic.”
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Can anyone comment on the proper use of the signal grounding Altaira? I understand that chassis grounding is not recommended for components that do not have a ground inlet on the iec. Do components that do not have a ground inlet on iec still benefit from signal grounding?
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Can anyone comment on the proper use of the signal grounding Altaira? I understand that chassis grounding is not recommended for components that do not have a ground inlet on the iec. Do components that do not have a ground inlet on iec still benefit from signal grounding?
Shunyata has done an amazing job with their documentation for their grounding solution. Follow the road map here: https://shunyata.com/altairaroadmap/
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Shunyata has done an amazing job with their documentation for their grounding solution. Follow the road map here: https://shunyata.com/altairaroadmap/
Agree the documentation is amazing. It suggests that signal grounding not be applied when the component does not have an inlet ground. Just wanting to confirm this.
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Agree the documentation is amazing. It suggests that signal grounding not be applied when the component does not have an inlet ground. Just wanting to confirm this.
Just in the interests of accuracy, Dr. Melby, when a component does not have a ground prong on the IEC power cord receptacle, do not connect that component to either Altaira (neither a Chassis Ground hub nor a Signal Ground hub). See post 30 below.
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It suggests that signal grounding not be applied when the component does not have an inlet ground. Just wanting to confirm this.
This might be a safety consideration as a short in this component might conceivably take down everything that’s sharing this ground. Good question to ask.
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This might be a safety consideration as a short in this component might conceivably take down everything that’s sharing this ground. Good question to ask.
The guidance, as shown in this screen capture of part of the Component Continuity Test Worksheet, is very clear and unambiguous: if a component does not have a ground pin in it's IEC receptacle for the power cord (as shown outlined in red), do not ground that component by connecting it to an Altaira. It's as simple as that.



Link to the Component Continuity Test Worksheet document on the Shunyata website is here: shorturl.at/bdFJ1

As Kenny has said, the Altaira system documentation that was put together was comprehensive. Rather than making "assumptions," your best practice is to: 1) work with a trained and certified dealer and 2) read all the Altaira system documentation online. It's all there in Kenny's link(s).
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