AudioAficionado.org  

Go Back   AudioAficionado.org > Manufacturers Forums > McIntosh Audio

McIntosh Audio A Tradition of Excellence

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 06-05-2022, 05:32 AM
prepress's Avatar
prepress prepress is offline
Semi-audiophile
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Brooklyn, by way of Nashville
Posts: 2,913
Default

Another point to consider. Do you have any power conditioning? Good conditioning will help with noise. I find my sound is cleaner with more detail evident since I upgraded my power cords.
__________________
SOTA, Grado, SME, Van den Hul, Gingko turntable setup; Pioneer Elite LD, BDP; Sony OLED TV; Magnum Dynalab tuner, antenna; MIT S-video cable; Pangea HDMI cables; DVDO video processor; McIntosh SACD, preamp, power amps; Telefunken Black Diamond preamp tubes; Kimber IC; Transparent IC, PC, SC; Mirage speakers; PS Audio, Shunyata PC; Audio Additives RCA caps; Furman power conditioning; Sanus: racks
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-05-2022, 08:29 AM
clpetersen clpetersen is online now
Senior Member

 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Boston
Posts: 1,064
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thebenz View Post
I like this discussion because I am confused on some of this stuff. I don't think I comprehend what Room does vs what tidal does. I assume tidal is like Spotify? And is roon more for an existing library that you already own? I'm in the same boat here where I would like to stream better than my current setup of a modded Sonos bridge that I use the Sonos app to stream through my c2500.
Well, this could be a separate thread or two.

I think the first question is: do you have (or want to create) a digital music library? Or prefer playing from physical media (i.e. spinning disks)?
__________________
Main - Roon on Synology/Sonos Port/SoTM Neo endpoints; Chord Qutest, Bryston BP-17 cubed with phono option; EAT C-sharp with Ortofon Bronze MM, Bryston cubed Amplifier; Revel F126Be on custom Atocha stands; interconnects by WireWorld, furniture by Atocha Design 'Phones Audeze LCD-3, Bryston BHA-1; Office: Sonos/Roon; OPPO HA-1, Naim NAP100 and PSB Mini-C. Media Room:, Samsung QLED QN90 series, Sonos, OPPO 205, ATI N-core driving KEF LS-50's with REL subs; furniture by Glassisimo; Kids - U-turn for vinyl, Sonos Play5; Summer Shack - Sonos, vintage Pioneer, Dynaudio Special 40's.

Last edited by clpetersen; 06-05-2022 at 09:07 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-06-2022, 09:35 AM
rjryan rjryan is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Mn
Posts: 262
Default

The Aurender products are fantastic and can accommodate both streaming and an existing library. Moving from a MacMini and Audirvana to an Aurender N150 was noticeably better, not to mention thier customer support and software is very solid.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-06-2022, 11:31 AM
IllinoisCheesehead IllinoisCheesehead is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 32
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thebenz View Post
I like this discussion because I am confused on some of this stuff. I don't think I comprehend what Room does vs what tidal does. I assume tidal is like Spotify? And is roon more for an existing library that you already own? I'm in the same boat here where I would like to stream better than my current setup of a modded Sonos bridge that I use the Sonos app to stream through my c2500.
Roon by itself doesn't do anything. You still need to provide the content, be it your own digital music library or a separate subscription to one or more of the available streaming services out there - Tidal, Qobuz, Spotify, Napster, etc. It's basically a splashy front-end used to curate all your different sources into a single interface. It does a nice job of adding in missing metadata and additional info about artists and albums. I used it for awhile and liked it, but didn't feel the value it added matched the monthly subscription fee. I'm just using a Node right now for streaming and the BluOS app does everything I need it to do for free, plus the cost of my monthly Qobuz subscription.

The other requirement for Roon is that you need to stand up a "core" somewhere. Either on a Roon Nucleus device (not cheap...), or you can set one up on your Mac or PC. But it needs to be up and running and on your network at all times in order to use Roon. The Roon core does all the work to compile/curate your content. Then you need a Roon endpoint, like a Bluesound Node or other such streaming device that supports Roon. In the end for me, it was an additional expense and extra "moving parts" that I just didn't feel was worth the cost or hassle.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-06-2022, 11:57 AM
rjryan rjryan is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Mn
Posts: 262
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IllinoisCheesehead View Post
Roon by itself doesn't do anything. You still need to provide the content, be it your own digital music library or a separate subscription to one or more of the available streaming services out there - Tidal, Qobuz, Spotify, Napster, etc. It's basically a splashy front-end used to curate all your different sources into a single interface. It does a nice job of adding in missing metadata and additional info about artists and albums. I used it for awhile and liked it, but didn't feel the value it added matched the monthly subscription fee. I'm just using a Node right now for streaming and the BluOS app does everything I need it to do for free, plus the cost of my monthly Qobuz subscription.

The other requirement for Roon is that you need to stand up a "core" somewhere. Either on a Roon Nucleus device (not cheap...), or you can set one up on your Mac or PC. But it needs to be up and running and on your network at all times in order to use Roon. The Roon core does all the work to compile/curate your content. Then you need a Roon endpoint, like a Bluesound Node or other such streaming device that supports Roon. In the end for me, it was an additional expense and extra "moving parts" that I just didn't feel was worth the cost or hassle.
Great advice and agreed. I looked at the Roon very closely, too. Lot's of moving parts is a great way to sum it up - and an extra subscription outside of Tidal in my case.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 06-06-2022, 12:31 PM
dkorbal's Avatar
dkorbal dkorbal is offline
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Southeast, MI
Posts: 622
Default

Well said IllinoisCheesehead you articulated the setup well but I concluded the value of Roon a bit higher. I was/am able to find more obscure music that I likely would not had known about had it not been for Roon. Thebenz YMMV and yes as stated there is an extra cost so YOU will need to decide if it's right for you.
__________________
Doug

2-Channel
McIntosh C2700, (2X)MC601, MEN220 Lampizator Baltic 3
Sonore opticalRendu, SGC sonicTransporter i5 (Gen 3), Roon Thorens TT TD318
B&W 803D3 JL Audio (2x)f110v2
Shunyata Denali/S v2, Alpha v2 PCs, WW Gold/Silver Eclipse Interconnects, Platinum USB

Whole House Music Listening
Bluesound Vault2i, PowerNode2, PulseMini2i, Pulse2, (3x)Flex
5.2 System Above using Passthru
Marantz SR7012
Oppo 205, Apple TV (4th gen), Sony XBR850e65
B&W HTM2 D3
Second 5.1 System Castoffs from Upgrades
LRC Paradigm Millenia 20, Velodyne MiniVee 10, KEF surrounds, DefTech AW6500
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 06-06-2022, 02:19 PM
IllinoisCheesehead IllinoisCheesehead is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 32
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dkorbal View Post
Well said IllinoisCheesehead you articulated the setup well but I concluded the value of Roon a bit higher. I was/am able to find more obscure music that I likely would not had known about had it not been for Roon. Thebenz YMMV and yes as stated there is an extra cost so YOU will need to decide if it's right for you.
I agree. The new music discovery intelligence is a nice feature of Roon and one of the things I do miss since dropping my subscription.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 06-06-2022, 03:51 PM
clpetersen clpetersen is online now
Senior Member

 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Boston
Posts: 1,064
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IllinoisCheesehead View Post
I agree. The new music discovery intelligence is a nice feature of Roon and one of the things I do miss since dropping my subscription.
Also agreed. I like Roon more than initially expected for three reasons:

- Music discovery

- Digital Gatefolds. Background, artist bios, pictures, etc. Of course you can get all this, but nice to have it all assembled up front.

- Roon's ability to mix music. Often we will select an artist, hit play, and a very good playlist will start; some we own, some pulled in from Tidal.

If I were already a well-versed music collector (I am not) than Roon would be harder to justify.
__________________
Main - Roon on Synology/Sonos Port/SoTM Neo endpoints; Chord Qutest, Bryston BP-17 cubed with phono option; EAT C-sharp with Ortofon Bronze MM, Bryston cubed Amplifier; Revel F126Be on custom Atocha stands; interconnects by WireWorld, furniture by Atocha Design 'Phones Audeze LCD-3, Bryston BHA-1; Office: Sonos/Roon; OPPO HA-1, Naim NAP100 and PSB Mini-C. Media Room:, Samsung QLED QN90 series, Sonos, OPPO 205, ATI N-core driving KEF LS-50's with REL subs; furniture by Glassisimo; Kids - U-turn for vinyl, Sonos Play5; Summer Shack - Sonos, vintage Pioneer, Dynaudio Special 40's.

Last edited by clpetersen; 06-06-2022 at 03:58 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 06-06-2022, 06:50 PM
Thebenz's Avatar
Thebenz Thebenz is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Las Colinas TX
Posts: 160
Default

wow you guys have really laid this out for me! Hope i didn't rob the thread. The more i've researched I think I'm going to get the hifiRose 150b streamer. That seems to be quite the game changer for someone like me!
__________________
McIntosh C2500, McIntosh MC452, MPC1500, Oppo BDP103, Klipsch RF7ii, Blinn rack
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 06-07-2022, 07:13 AM
clpetersen clpetersen is online now
Senior Member

 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Boston
Posts: 1,064
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thebenz View Post
...The more i've researched I think I'm going to get the hifiRose 150b streamer...
Terrific choice! A 21st century component, well designed and thought out.

I love the old-school FM tuner interface. Very cool stuff.
__________________
Main - Roon on Synology/Sonos Port/SoTM Neo endpoints; Chord Qutest, Bryston BP-17 cubed with phono option; EAT C-sharp with Ortofon Bronze MM, Bryston cubed Amplifier; Revel F126Be on custom Atocha stands; interconnects by WireWorld, furniture by Atocha Design 'Phones Audeze LCD-3, Bryston BHA-1; Office: Sonos/Roon; OPPO HA-1, Naim NAP100 and PSB Mini-C. Media Room:, Samsung QLED QN90 series, Sonos, OPPO 205, ATI N-core driving KEF LS-50's with REL subs; furniture by Glassisimo; Kids - U-turn for vinyl, Sonos Play5; Summer Shack - Sonos, vintage Pioneer, Dynaudio Special 40's.

Last edited by clpetersen; 06-07-2022 at 09:18 AM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Audioaficionado.org tested by Norton Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:36 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©Copyright 2009-2023 AudioAficionado.org.Privately owned, All Rights Reserved.
Audio Aficionado Sponsors
AudioAficionado Subscriber
AudioAficionado Subscriber
Inspire By Dennis Had
Inspire By Dennis Had
Harmonic Resolution Systems
Harmonic Resolution Systems
Wyred4Sound
Wyred4Sound
Dragonfire Acoustics
Dragonfire Acoustics
GIK Acoustics
GIK Acoustics
Esoteric
Esoteric
AC Infinity
AC Infinity
JL Audio
JL Audio
Add Powr
Add Powr
Accuphase - Soulution
Accuphase - Soulution
Audio by E
Audio by E
Canton
Canton
Bryston
Bryston
WireWorld Cables
WireWorld Cables
Stillpoints
Stillpoints
Bricasti Design
Bricasti Design
Furutech
Furutech
Shunyata Research
Shunyata Research
Legend Audio & Video
Legend Audio & Video