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Old 06-09-2013, 07:58 AM
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:28 AM
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Welcome. Good to hear you spend your time in the lab versus wasting it on the Internet.

There aren't many companies and products I rave about, but I rave about Shunyata every chance I get. In fact, your products have completely changed my thinking about audio and video. I now consider power to be the foundation of a system, and the better the foundation, the better the system. I cannot believe the performance I have achieved with my modest gear by adding your products.

Two weeks ago I removed the hard-wired power cord on my 2004 Hitachi 57" digital monitor, and added a Furtech IEC connector so I could upgrade the power cord with a Ztron Cobra. Additionally, I added a SR-Z1 outlet, and a 2 port Hydra for the TV. This, along with adding a Hydra AV and a Ztron Python to the HT electronics, has bought my HT to a higher level. The picture, and sound, is now so much better. It amazes me how adding power components has such a positive effect. The rest of the HT equipment rack uses 2 Ztron Cobra cords, and Venom cords.

The reason why I bought that gear for the HT was due to the positive experience I had with Shunyata in my two channel system. That consists of a Ztron Ananconda powering a Triton. The Triton powers 4 Ztron Cobras, and 2 Python CX cords. Both the HT and the two-channel system are on dedicated 20 amp circuits with SR-Z1 outlets.

The rest of the two-channel system is three pair of Ztron Anaconda balanced inter-connects, and a pair of Ztron Anaconda speaker cables.

Thank you for making my life better in regard to music and movies.
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I am grateful for the Venom extension cord, which is crucial in my system; it gets the system to the wall and is a better solution for me than the standard extension cord from a hardware store.
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Welcome. Good to hear you spend your time in the lab versus wasting it on the Internet.

There aren't many companies and products I rave about, but I rave about Shunyata every chance I get. In fact, your products have completely changed my thinking about audio and video. I now consider power to be the foundation of a system, and the better the foundation, the better the system. I cannot believe the performance I have achieved with my modest gear by adding your products.

Two weeks ago I removed the hard-wired power cord on my 2004 Hitachi 57" digital monitor, and added a Furtech IEC connector so I could upgrade the power cord with a Ztron Cobra. Additionally, I added a SR-Z1 outlet, and a 2 port Hydra for the TV. This, along with adding a Hydra AV and a Ztron Python to the HT electronics, has bought my HT to a higher level. The picture, and sound, is now so much better. It amazes me how adding power components has such a positive effect. The rest of the HT equipment rack uses 2 Ztron Cobra cords, and Venom cords.

The reason why I bought that gear for the HT was due to the positive experience I had with Shunyata in my two channel system. That consists of a Ztron Ananconda powering a Triton. The Triton powers 4 Ztron Cobras, and 2 Python CX cords. Both the HT and the two-channel system are on dedicated 20 amp circuits with SR-Z1 outlets.

The rest of the two-channel system is three pair of Ztron Anaconda balanced inter-connects, and a pair of Ztron Anaconda speaker cables.

Thank you for making my life better in regard to music and movies.
Blue Fox, thank you for using our products.
Just as the room and speaker define the fundamental acoustic response "potential" of a system, the power system determines the "potential" for the electrical devices in your system. One fundamental principle to remember is that power compenents in the system are generally a negative. This means that the wall wiring, outlet, power cords and power distributors ALL degrade system performance to some degree. Replacing each of these with a superior version decreases the relative negative by a certain percentage or degree. The key to improving power system performance is to approach it with an overall sytem analysis point of view and to identify the "weakest" link in the power system. Addressing the weakest link will give you the biggest relative improvement and most bang for the buck.

This explains why one person may replace a power cord and wax poetic about the improvement while another person may use the same cord and hear little to nothing. In the first person's system who has a good dedicated power line and a good power distributor, the power cord upgrade can be easily heard while the second person's system may have a loose connection in the wall outlet or they are using a power strip that has poor DTCD performance. This chokes current delivery and limits or masks the potential improvement of the power cord. Sometimes the biggest improvement to performance costs little to nothing by simply checking the wiring connections at the outlet and at the electrical panel. Naturally you should have an electrician do this if you are not knowlegeable and confident.

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Old 06-09-2013, 01:33 PM
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I have a question about replacing the electrical outlets in my power circuit for my audio system. (I can't put in a dedicated line at this time.) There are several other outlets, some unused, on my audio power circuit.

In your FAQs under Electrical System Optimization it says:

"Replace the outlet powering the audio system with a good heavy-duty commercial grade outlet. If your power circuit has multiple outlets you will need to replace all the outlets with quality units even if the audio system is not connected to the other outlets on the circuit -- "

I take it that usually one can hear the improvement by replacing ALL of the outlets on the audio power circuit? Or to put it the another way, what happens to the power if the additional outlets are not changed to something better?

Thanks,

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Outlets in a home are commonly daisy-chained with multiple outlets connected together in series. Each additional connection point defrades DTCD (instantaneous current) and each outlet or splice box creates another potential loose or poor connection. This will degrade current capacity and can also introduce noise if the contact is dirty or corroded.

1st Step: Identify all outlets and switches that are connected to the circuit. For our purposes a single circuit can be defined as a single breaker in the electrical panel and all the outlets, switches and dimmers that are connected to the in-wall wire that proceeds from the panel. You can do this by finding the electrical breaker that powers your audio system. Then turn the breaker off and use an outlet tester or a small AC lamp will do to identify all the other outlets or light switches that no longer function.

2nd Step: If possible, unplug any devices (not audio system) that are plugged into these outlets. Find a different cicuit to power them.

3rd Step: For all outlets that are not being used, you can stub them off. This means to disconnect the wiring to the outlet. Of course the incoming and outgoing wires must being cleaned and connected with twist-on caps so that power is passed to the next outlet in the chain. If I have to explain this further, you shouldn't do it - hire an electrician. Then, put a "blank" cover over the outlet box. The outlet can be reinstalled at a later date if you move your system or if you sell your home.

4th Step: If a non audio outlet cannot be stubbed off then replace it with a quality unit. By this I don't mean a platinum plated, diamond encrusted outlet. A good commercial grade outlet will do. In the USA, I prefer to use the Hubbell brand due to the type of brass alloy that they use internally. The reason you want to replace it is the fact that the incoming wire and outgoing wires are sometimes connected through the outlet.

DEDICATED LINES: All the the above explains why one of the most important upgrades to the audio power system is a dedicated line. For those that don't know: A dedicated line is defined by a single breaker and a run of wire directly to a single outlet. There are no other outlets or switches connected. Further, all three wires (hot, neutral and ground) are dedicated to that single outlet. So the procedure above gets you a virtual dedicated line if done with care. Eliminate non-audio devices on the circuit and improve the splices and connection points.

Moderation and prudence when installing dedicated lines. " If one is good, two are better and one for every component is the bomb!" Right? --- Yeah not so fast mate. One is definitely a huge advantage. Two can be better - one for all source equipment and another for the amps. But installing multiple dedicate lines will often introduce a very vexing problem - ground loops and hum and buzzing.

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Outlets in a home are commonly daisy-chained with multiple outlets connected together in series. Each additional connection point defrades DTCD (instantaneous current) and each outlet or splice box creates another potential loose or poor connection. This will degrade current capacity and can also introduce noise if the contact is dirty or corroded.

1st Step: Identify all outlets and switches that are connected to the circuit. For our purposes a single circuit can be defined as a single breaker in the electrical panel and all the outlets, switches and dimmers that are connected to the in-wall wire that proceeds from the panel. You can do this by finding the electrical breaker that powers your audio system. Then turn the breaker off and use an outlet tester or a small AC lamp will do to identify all the other outlets or light switches that no longer function.

2nd Step: If possible, unplug any devices (not audio system) that are plugged into these outlets. Find a different cicuit to power them.

3rd Step: For all outlets that are not being used, you can stub them off. This means to disconnect the wiring to the outlet. Of course the incoming and outgoing wires must being cleaned and connected with twist-on caps so that power is passed to the next outlet in the chain. If I have to explain this further, you shouldn't do it - hire an electrician. Then, put a "blank" cover over the outlet box. The outlet can be reinstalled at a later date if you move your system or if you sell your home.

4th Step: If a non audio outlet cannot be stubbed off then replace it with a quality unit. By this I don't mean a platinum plated, diamond encrusted outlet. A good commercial grade outlet will do. In the USA, I prefer to use the Hubbell brand due to the type of brass alloy that they use internally. The reason you want to replace it is the fact that the incoming wire and outgoing wires are sometimes connected through the outlet.

DEDICATED LINES: All the the above explains why one of the most important upgrades to the audio power system is a dedicated line. For those that don't know: A dedicated line is defined by a single breaker and a run of wire directly to a single outlet. There are no other outlets or switches connected. Further, all three wires (hot, neutral and ground) are dedicated to that single outlet. So the procedure above gets you a virtual dedicated line if done with care. Eliminate non-audio devices on the circuit and improve the splices and connection points.

Moderation and prudence when installing dedicated lines. " If one is good, two are better and one for every component is the bomb!" Right? --- Yeah not so fast mate. One is definitely a huge advantage. Two can be better - one for all source equipment and another for the amps. But installing multiple dedicate lines will often introduce a very vexing problem - ground loops and hum and buzzing.

cg
Thank you for the excellent explanation and steps.
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