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Old 08-22-2016, 02:25 AM
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Speaking of Pope 6SN7 tubes, someone is offering a pair on Agon for $600!!! My goodness! They would have to sound extremely good.
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Old 08-22-2016, 07:25 AM
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That's funny! They are excellent tubes but not $600.
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Old 08-22-2016, 07:52 AM
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Could this be the same people?
amazon.com/sp?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B01E57OA72&isAmazonFulfille d=0&isCBA=&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&orderID=&se ller=AT9HPTJQR9BRT&tab=&vasStoreID

Looked on the auction site and found a previous seller that went by Salience HiFi but no recent activity. Quick google search turned up the Amazon web store. Looks like they may have moved there business from the auction site.

If so, I am gonna order one of the UK CV181 to try on my 45 SET.

PS: Still in FL? Im over on the Treasure Coast myself.
Same folks. h_salience is the seller id. The UK version is very transparent and open sounding. All the Chinese CV181's are good tubes just different 'flavors'. I just searched their fleabay store and they only have pairs of the UK version.
Can you get a single tube on Amazon?

I'm near Ft. Myers.
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:01 AM
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I can (I think) hear differences when I switch between 5Y3, 5V4, 5U4G/274B, 5U4GB (I think I hear a tiny difference between this and 5U4G, but wouldn't bet money on it in a blind comparison), and GZ34. But within rectifier tube types, say a vintage Sylvania 5U4G vs a vintage RCA 5U4G vs Tubestore Preferred 274B, I am not convinced I can hear any differences. Many tube amp owners say the same. So I've decided to not spend a lot of money on rectifier tubes. Dennis has told me that he considers the low cost JJ GZ34 to be very good.
The new GL GZ34 is also very good.

IMHO, using the right rectifier..the one that delivers the right amount of B+ voltage for a given tube to sound 'right' in your system is more important than the brand.
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:12 AM
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In my rig:

Inspire KT-88 SET amp with 20 Watt trannies and DACT step attenuator; LP-27a Inspire preamp with DACT Step attenuator; Yggdrasil DAC; Tekton Lore 2.0; Velodyne DLS 3500 R Subwoofer

Preferred combinations:

No. 1 (Best sound):

Decware Zbit (Balanced; No preamp);

Amp:
Super Radiotron 6SN7 GTA; Sophia Electric 274-B Mesh Plate; Russian 6P3S-E

No. 2:

Preamp:
GE 6BX7 GT, RCA Radiotron 80, Silvertone RCA 27*

Amp;
Super Radiotron 6SN7 GTA; Sophia Elecric 274-B Mesh Plate ; Russian 6P3S-E

No. 3

Preamp:
GE 6BX7 GT; RCA Radiotron 80; Silvertone RCA 27*

Amp:
Super Radiotron 6SN7 GTA; Sophia Electric 274-B Mesh Plate; Genalex GL KT88

No. 4

Preamp:
GE 6BX7 GT; RCA Radiotron 80; Silvertone RCA 27*

Amp:
Phillips JAN 6SL7 WGT; Sylvania 80 (Green); RCA 6V6 G ST

*Most of the time, the Silvertone Balloon-type RCA 56's in lieu of the equivalent 27's, produce the same results!

YMMV

Just for your reference, these are all the tube candidates at hand:

NOS Russian 6P3S-E
NOS RCA 6V6 G ST
NOS RCA 6V6 GT
NOS TungSol 6AR6WA w/Adptr
GENALEX Gold Lion KT-88
NOS Philco Globe-Type 27
NOS Philco 27
NOS RCA 27
NOS Sylvertone Globe-Type 56
NOS RCA-Radiotron 56
NOS Silvertone RCA 27
TungSol 6V6 GT

Sophia Electric 274-B, Octal
NOS RCA Radiotron 80
NOS Sylvania 80
NOS RCA Victor 80
NOS RCA Cunningham 80
NOS JAN Sylvania 80
NOS RAD-TEL 5Z3 (4-Pin)
NOS RCA 5Z3 (4-Pin)
NOS Brimar 5Z4 GY (Octal)
NOS Westinghouse-Holland 5AR4

NOS RCA 6SN7 GT
NOS Sylvania 6SN7 G/B
NOS Sylvania 6SN7 GTA
NOS Super Radiotron 6SN7 GTA
NOS GE 6SL7 GT
Tung-Sol 6SL7 GT
NOS Sylvania 6SL7 GT
NOS Phillips JAN 6SL7 WGT
NOS Tung-Sol 6SL7 GT
NOS GE 6BX7 GT (Preamp)
NOS JAN Phillips 5691
NOS 6N8PJ (Chinese)
You should get another quad of the 6P3S-E. That appears to be your favorite power tube. The good ones are getting hard to come by.
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Old 08-22-2016, 09:31 AM
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In my rig:

Inspire KT-88 SET amp with 20 Watt trannies and DACT step attenuator; LP-27a Inspire preamp with DACT Step attenuator; Yggdrasil DAC; Tekton Lore 2.0; Velodyne DLS 3500 R Subwoofer

Preferred combinations:

No. 1 (Best sound):

Decware Zbit (Balanced; No preamp);

Amp:
Super Radiotron 6SN7 GTA; Sophia Electric 274-B Mesh Plate; Russian 6P3S-E

No. 2:

Preamp:
GE 6BX7 GT, RCA Radiotron 80, Silvertone RCA 27*

Amp;
Super Radiotron 6SN7 GTA; Sophia Elecric 274-B Mesh Plate ; Russian 6P3S-E

No. 3

Preamp:
GE 6BX7 GT; RCA Radiotron 80; Silvertone RCA 27*

Amp:
Super Radiotron 6SN7 GTA; Sophia Electric 274-B Mesh Plate; Genalex GL KT88

No. 4

Preamp:
GE 6BX7 GT; RCA Radiotron 80; Silvertone RCA 27*

Amp:
Phillips JAN 6SL7 WGT; Sylvania 80 (Green); RCA 6V6 G ST

*Most of the time, the Silvertone Balloon-type RCA 56's in lieu of the equivalent 27's, produce the same results!

YMMV

Just for your reference, these are all the tube candidates at hand:

NOS Russian 6P3S-E
NOS RCA 6V6 G ST
NOS RCA 6V6 GT
NOS TungSol 6AR6WA w/Adptr
GENALEX Gold Lion KT-88
NOS Philco Globe-Type 27
NOS Philco 27
NOS RCA 27
NOS Sylvertone Globe-Type 56
NOS RCA-Radiotron 56
NOS Silvertone RCA 27
TungSol 6V6 GT

Sophia Electric 274-B, Octal
NOS RCA Radiotron 80
NOS Sylvania 80
NOS RCA Victor 80
NOS RCA Cunningham 80
NOS JAN Sylvania 80
NOS RAD-TEL 5Z3 (4-Pin)
NOS RCA 5Z3 (4-Pin)
NOS Brimar 5Z4 GY (Octal)
NOS Westinghouse-Holland 5AR4

NOS RCA 6SN7 GT
NOS Sylvania 6SN7 G/B
NOS Sylvania 6SN7 GTA
NOS Super Radiotron 6SN7 GTA
NOS GE 6SL7 GT
Tung-Sol 6SL7 GT
NOS Sylvania 6SL7 GT
NOS Phillips JAN 6SL7 WGT
NOS Tung-Sol 6SL7 GT
NOS GE 6BX7 GT (Preamp)
NOS JAN Phillips 5691
NOS 6N8PJ (Chinese)
Try the amp with an 80, Sylvi GTA (bottom flashed getter is preferable) and the 6V6Gs. I might also dig up a 5Y3 rectifier...
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Old 08-22-2016, 11:11 AM
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I haven't popped for any 6P3S-e tubes. Have read mixed reviews of them, most of them positive but not all. Tube Amp Doctor says that today's Sovtek 6L6WGC is the same tube and that they substitute one for the other depending upon what they have in stock. Others say the 6L6WGC is the standard 6P3S, while the 5881WXT is the 6P3Se. Confusing.

Here is a good guide to the various versions
http://www.jayskyler.com/guitar-gear...ube-guide.html

Cheap enough, maybe I should try them.

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Old 08-22-2016, 11:21 AM
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Try the amp with an 80, Sylvi GTA (bottom flashed getter is preferable) and the 6V6Gs. I might also dig up a 5Y3 rectifier...
Do you mean a Sylvania GTA (bottom flash getter ) 80?

I thought all the following I had listed are equivalent to the 5Y3 you suggest, except these are 4-Pin (I use them w/adapter) and the 5Y3 is Octal:

NOS RCA Radiotron 80
NOS Sylvania 80
NOS RCA Victor 80
NOS RCA Cunningham 80
NOS JAN Sylvania 80

Is there something I'm missing? Thanks for the feedback.
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:16 PM
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Do you mean a Sylvania GTA (bottom flash getter ) 80?

I thought all the following I had listed are equivalent to the 5Y3 you suggest, except these are 4-Pin (I use them w/adapter) and the 5Y3 is Octal:

NOS RCA Radiotron 80
NOS Sylvania 80
NOS RCA Victor 80
NOS RCA Cunningham 80
NOS JAN Sylvania 80

Is there something I'm missing? Thanks for the feedback.
Perhaps the 6SN7 is a GT version, like this one....



And yes, the 5Y3 and 80 rectifiers are supposedly electrically identical, but Dennis and I found that even though the distortion curves didn't necessarily change much, we were able to notice a significant sonic difference between rectifiers.
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Old 08-22-2016, 02:24 PM
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I haven't popped for any 6P3S-e tubes. Have read mixed reviews of them, most of them positive but not all. Tube Amp Doctor says that today's Sovtek 6L6WGC is the same tube and that they substitute one for the other depending upon what they have in stock. Others say the 6L6WGC is the standard 6P3S, while the 5881WXT is the 6P3Se. Confusing.

Here is a good guide to the various versions
Sovtek 5881 WXT | 6l6 WGC | 6

Cheap enough, maybe I should try them.
I bought a quad years ago from Jim Mc Shane and sent two of them to Musica. They are a coin base tube and good ones are getting hard to find.

Search both 6P3S-e and 5881WXT you'll see the difference. I have no clue who a good seller is now. I just looked at both on fleabay and it is confusing. The military one are from the 70's-80's and have a gold grid.

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