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Hey Dave...would you post a photo of your power conditioning/generating setup.?
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Consequently, the system is extremely quiet. The noise floor is exceptionally low. The music flows from a dead quiet stage, and nome of the subtle telltale signs of dirty power. I own 2 regenerators, but have chosen not to use them here. If I had crappy incoming AC, or voltage that widely varied, I might do otherwise, but would never power my amps with a regenerator. IMO, Shunyata's passive approach is superior in my situation. YMMV. Last edited by MtnHam; 05-06-2015 at 10:48 PM. |
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Real similar to mtmham for me, 3 dedicated circuits, all 10/3 overkill wiring, using audio grade outlets from Ivan. Also in the country few neighbors, and I had to spring for and am the only house on my own transformer too. I have regen units two ppps. Dave I will need to did up some pics for ya.
I may be as we'll off if I had the hydras? My main concern is lighting and not just the surges at times but noise in the line. But I agree if you have very clean pretty stable power then maybe a conditioner is a better approach. Sent from my iPad using A.Aficionado |
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Agreed. Plus regenerators are just one more active component to break. Or even worse, not break, but degrade. So you think it is working but it is making noise. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lumin S1 file player/DAC Pass XP-20 pre, X600.5 amps Magico S5 speakers Shunyata Triton v2/Typhon for source, Cyclops (2) for amps Shunyata Z Anaconda XLR analog ICs, Z Anaconda speaker cables Shunyata Z Anaconda, Z Python, Z Cobra, and Sigma Digital power cables Mapleshade Samson V.3, 4 shelf solid maple rack Three 20 amp circuits.
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The benefit of mains regeneration over conditioners is that they also reduce harmonic distortion of the mains waveform.
That said still not sure which way I will go myself in near future; maybe Isotek Evo3 Titan conditioner (probably looking more at conditioners myself and accept it cannot do some aspects of regenerators), or PS Audio P10 mains regenerator (but difficult not to stress/push near or pass limits if wanting to connect integrated or pwr amps). Great PS Audio p10 review by Keith Howard showing benefit of mains regeneration using bespoke measurement setup, and with some good explanations. http://www.signaturesystems.co.uk/HF...0%20review.pdf Notice though that he is very careful what equipment he uses with the P10, so my concern is just how much it can really handle (this is the challenge with mains regeneration and size-active supply constraints, applies in some ways to conditioners but IMO to a lesser degree in comparison). Enjoy the read. Cheers Orb Last edited by Orb; 05-09-2015 at 06:00 AM. |
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This is a review of the PS Audio Power Plant Premier AC regeneration power conditioner that I wrote in April 2009. I thought it might prove interesting to those who haven't read it. I think many of us think our audio components, particularly amplifiers, draw more current at any given volume level than they actually do. We also tend to think of the load our amplifiers present is constant but it is not. The load rises and falls in relation to the musical wave forms and the demad those wave forms put on the amplifier's output stages. I presently have two MC601 power amplifiers fed by one PPP. A C2300 and four source components are fed by the second PPP in my living room system. Both PPP's have been in service for six years without any issues.
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Dan...
Is there such a thing as a whole house power regenerator? I am in the midst of building and still have options, time limited though, to make some changes. It seems having something on this level for the entire house could be a value or over-kill? Last edited by Golucid; 05-09-2015 at 11:54 AM. |
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David.......Whole house AC regeneration would be a huge endeavor and would require custom designed equipment that would be extremely expensive. I don't see any advantages to doing such a thing outside of powering audio and video equipment. There are companies that manufacture Isolation Panels that are often installed to power recording studios, home audio and video setups, and hospital surgery rooms. These panels are not the same as AC regeneration but provide power conditioning to multiple dedicated outlets without the need to have separate power conditioners installed at each device.
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I agree with Dan. I have no issues powering my Mcintosh amplifiers with PS Audio regenerators. In my system, I never push my amps hard. I average 0.5 to 5 watts with occasionally 50 watt laying down the wood sessions. The current needed for my MC501s is actually well within the limits of my regenerators. I started out with PPP, first one then added a second PPP. Currently, I own a pair of P10s. The P10 is a fantastic product. Dedicated 20 amp lines with 10g wiring. Transparent RPL power cords. I have one monoblock amp on each P10 to further improve the current available. The preamp and sources are split amongst the 2 P10s. I have no real need to do anything else to my power delivery. System sounds wonderful and black as spades background. The P10 is the real deal, IMO. I use low distortion, multi wave 6 settings. As others have noted, there are many avenues to achieve excellent power delivery. Pick whichever one floats your boat, budget, or situation. It's all good. Providing a solid power delivery foundation, however you do it, is an absolute key element in building a hi-fidelity system.
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