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Old 04-10-2022, 02:54 PM
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"IF" vinyl soundsbetter it still isn't worth the hassle.
Jim… I beg to differ.

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Old 04-10-2022, 05:04 PM
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The last few years, I’ve started taking it on a case by case basis with any newer recordings. There are a lot of bands who seem to care more about their mastering than others. For example, the Tedeschi Trucks Band, Wilco and the Drive By Truckers have always used high quality mastering engineers for their vinyl. More of the “popular” artists….not so much, I stuck to the red book CD of Adele’s new album, didn’t see the point there. I don’t buy a ton of newer mainstream music such as Taylor Swift for example, but if I did, most of the times there isn’t a great benefit in spending the extra on the vinyl.

- Buck
I found the new Adele album to sound significantly better on vinyl vs Qobuz. Vinyl was much better. This link shows the difference in dynamic range with the vinyl being better than all other formats however they do not compare the Redbook CD.
https://magicvinyldigital.net/2021/1...youtube/#Part2
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Old 04-10-2022, 05:19 PM
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For us, playing one quality record on an excellent rig is a musical immersive experience unmatched by the possibility of playing a million digital files.

Of course, I’m speaking about older records, not some of the trash that is being reproduced today. Locate the older vinyl - it’s supreme, it’s the secret sauce. The older music was essentially made for one format, not a hodgepodge of diffident ones. Earlier artists maximized their music for one format - vinyl - and you can hear the difference. That’s one reason older music still out sells whatever this newer stuff is called today. Ted Gioia of the Atlantic states, “Old songs now represent 70 percent of the U.S. music market.”

Digital can be an excellent photograph of the original, but not the vinyl reality. The realized warmth, richness, and depth of vinyl add to our listening experience. While listening to vinyl takes a little bit of enjoyable time, the ritual from shelf —> to sleeve —> to stylus is unmatched for us.

For us, there’s nothing like flipping vinyl. Vinyl is lossless, digital isn't. With vinyl we are drawn “closer to” the intent of the original artist.

Please don’t get me wrong, we love digital too. We’ve put a tremendous effort in getting the very best digital we could. And we own it. However, at my death if I was given one last request song, I would choose it on vinyl, not digital.

Viva la vinyl!

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Old 04-10-2022, 06:58 PM
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...And then there's magnetic tape.
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Old 04-10-2022, 07:23 PM
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...And then there's magnetic tape.
Ahh….now we’re talking.
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I found the new Adele album to sound significantly better on vinyl vs Qobuz. Vinyl was much better. This link shows the difference in dynamic range with the vinyl being better than all other formats however they do not compare the Redbook CD.
https://magicvinyldigital.net/2021/1...youtube/#Part2
Definitely not surprised, as fun as it is, streaming is always my last choice when I have any type of physical media.

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Old 04-11-2022, 10:35 AM
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"IF" vinyl sounds better it still isn't worth the hassle.
The convenience, immediate access, wider dynamic range, lack of surface noise and distortion, and the avoidance of expensive and complicated gear and cabling make digital a natural choice for me.
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Old 04-14-2022, 02:54 PM
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This topic is a true 'evergreen'.

The advantages of digital are convenience, assured pitch stability, and (usually) quietude. Provided one has a top rank record cleaning system*, the advantages of analog with a superior analog front end and well-curated vinyl (or tape) continue to be better and more natural reproduction of tone and timbre and a more convincing image. For example, Frank, Ella, Dean, and Nat sound more true to life when reproduced from a well-made LP. Having readable jacket notes and appealing graphics is an additional plus.

As an added fillip, I continue to notice that physical media (RBCD, SACD, and quality vinyl) usually beats downloaded files of the same material when played on today's better decks and turntables. Digital sounds shrink-wrapped and on the blah side compared to superior analog. Convenience aside, those who depend on downloads seldom hear what their systems can really do.

YMMV. Happy listening.

Bob

*PS: The few available superior RCMs, although expensive, constitute just a rounding error in the total cost of many (most?) of the audio systems bandied about on this forum.
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In the May '22 issue of Sterophile, Sasha Matson does an in depth interview with Kevin Gray. It's very illuminating and puts a good bit of this discussion into a better perspective. I for one trust this man. His knowledge, skill and experience are unsurpassed in today's world.
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Jim… I beg to differ.

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