New Mercedes $1 Million S-Class Sedan

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Dan... The Jaguar will come first.

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Originally Posted by radio times

Merc's have no provenance, as Sotherby's would say. Nice try, but no cigar.

You summed it up perfectly! Thank you.

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Originally Posted by radio times

Merc's have no provenance, as Sotherby's would say. Nice try, but no cigar.

I beg to differ. Mercedes has a long history of producing many ultra collectible icons.

The 300SL, both Gullwing and Roadster are but just one example.

Would I buy a million dollar new Benz, no.

[psi310398]

Not sure about no provenance. MB holds up well with collectable Ferraris. Whether the S Class will ever be in the same category is another question.

In the following years, Mercedes topped the league for highest price at auction:

2013 - Mercedes-Benz W196 (1954) - around $30m - driven by Fangio and Moss, which should be good enough provenance for anyone.

2012 - Mercedes-Benz 540K Spezial Roadster (1936) - $11.77m

2004 - Mercedes-Benz 38/250 SSK (1929) - $7.44m

2003 - Mercedes-Benz SSK (1929) -$3.33m

1984 - Mercedes-Benz 500K Roadster (1936)- $1.45m

1973- Mercedes-Benz 770 F-Cabriolet (1941) - $176,000 (or about $1m in today's money).

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I guess they haven't learned the lesson with Maybach

The S Coupe look absolutely wonderful.

I'm hoping BMW will finally revive the serie 8.

Finally, I looked at the website of Mercedes recently. Have you noticed the amount of different body they have ? 17 different categories and 25 different body styles. Not counting the different engine version and the AMG category. You kinda get lost now between the many choices and it's not a good thing.

BMW is following the same trend and it's making things tricky. The 3 is the sedan and the 4 is the coupe but now there is a 4-door 4. There is no M1 or M2 but there is a M235 which is kinda like an M but not really an M.

[radio times]

Originally Posted by psi310398

Not sure about no provenance. MB holds up well with collectable Ferraris. Whether the S Class will ever be in the same category is another question.

In the following years, Mercedes topped the league for highest price at auction:

2013 - Mercedes-Benz W196 (1954) - around $30m - driven by Fangio and Moss, which should be good enough provenance for anyone.

2012 - Mercedes-Benz 540K Spezial Roadster (1936) - $11.77m

2004 - Mercedes-Benz 38/250 SSK (1929) - $7.44m

2003 - Mercedes-Benz SSK (1929) -$3.33m

1984 - Mercedes-Benz 500K Roadster (1936)- $1.45m

1973- Mercedes-Benz 770 F-Cabriolet (1941) - $176,000 (or about $1m in today's money).

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Not in Rools Royce territory they don't.

[psi310398]

Originally Posted by radio times

Not in Rools Royce territory they don't.

Sorry radiotimes, I really don't want to start a flame war but, unless I'm missing something, MB has its own illustrious (and continuous) heritage going way back to the original Daimlers - you simply don't get much better provenance than that.

RR and Bentley certainly had that but now they simply knock out expensive German luxo barges tricked out with Connolly hides and some English walnut veneers inside.

RR lost its way decades ago. Putting modern RRs to one side, the Silver Spirit and Silver Seraphs - the last real RRs - were truly horrible cars. What came after was so vulgar it was only fit for footballers (soccer) and pimps. And Rolls Royces are nothing more than gussied up BMWs these days, and certainly no more tasteful or special than a Maybach.

I don't wish to be rude but quoting provenance in regard to RR, after nationalisation, demerger, sale to Vickers, then VW, then BMW, is a bit like enquiring of the local hooker who the father of her child is.

I'm sure they are very good cars if you like that sort of thing but...

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[radio times]

Merc's have never floated my boat, that's all. BMW are very popular in blighty, but it's the same story there. The best German car's, according to a Merc engineer I met, are Porsche; it's an irrational subjective view I agree, but I don't like 'em either.

[NOLG4EVR]

Provenance is all about history and documenting. Nothing to do with what is being currently produced.

Good provenance in a vintage collectible Benz really has no relevance to modern day BMW, Benz or RR.

The companies are so different now the discussions are not worth having when comparing vintage to new. Two completely different topics.