AudioAficionado.org  

Go Back   AudioAficionado.org > Manufacturers Forums > Esoteric

Esoteric World Class cost no object Electronics

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 01-17-2020, 01:16 AM
2fastdriving's Avatar
2fastdriving 2fastdriving is offline
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,704
Default

Op has a k01x, so you rossini people are not helping

The upsampling to dsd sounds terrible on esoteric gear for some reason, nobody does it.
__________________
--Marc

Audio Research Ref6SE, Ref160M's / Esoteric N-01XD, G-02X, E-03 / Wilson Alexx / Clearaudio Ovation with Universal Tonearm / Lyra Kleos / Transparent Reference Gen5 / Shunyata Denali 6000S V2, Sigma Clock50, Sigma and Alpha HC PC's / HRS S3 Isolation bases / Roon, Tidal, Qobuz Intel NUC / Uptone EtherREGEN / GIK Acoustics panels / Adona rack
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01-17-2020, 10:12 AM
audioguy3107's Avatar
audioguy3107 audioguy3107 is online now
Go Dawgs


 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Posts: 5,138
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2fastdriving View Post
Op has a k01x, so you rossini people are not helping

The upsampling to dsd sounds terrible on esoteric gear for some reason, nobody does it.
Yep......time to upgrade!!

- Buck
__________________
Library: Speakers: Avalon Acoustics Isis, Subwoofers: (2) REL Acoustics 212SE Amplification: D’agostino Momentum preamplifier, D’agostino S250 stereo amplifier Digital: dCS Rossini CD/SACD transport, dCS Rossini DAC/streamer/master clock. Analog: Brinkmann Taurus table, Lyra Etna Lambda, Audio Research Ref. Phono 3
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-17-2020, 12:42 PM
W9TR's Avatar
W9TR W9TR is offline
Senior Member

 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: The Neutral Zone
Posts: 4,386
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tdelahanty View Post
Your thoughts have crossed my mind too. A friend of mine always listens to native format and insists it sounds more detailed. If you look at the math up-sampling should increase detail (resolution) by plotting extra data between native sample points. Indeed we may be hearing artifacts from digital filtering or/and the process of up-sampling may be doing things Science does not fully understand yet.
Upsampling + interpolation doesn't increase the true resolution of the source. It does interpolate between the source data points and adds extra calculated samples. If the over sampling rate is an integer multiple of the source frequency the math is very straight forward.

The biggest impact is it moves the alias frequencies far outside the audio band, allowing for simpler digital and analog reconstruction filters.

I think that is what we hear when we over sample - the filters used by the DAC, not the oversampling process itself.

Tom
__________________
Main System:
Amati Futura Mains
Amati Homage VOX Center,
Proac Response 1sc Rears,
Three MC2301's for L,C,R
MC 602 for the rears
C 1100, MX 151, MCD 1100, MR 80
Nottingham Dais with Wave Mechanic
Sumiko Palo Santos Presentation

SurfacePro 3, RPi 4, ROON, WW Starlight Platinum USB, Schiit Yggdrasil, Benchmark DAC3 HGC

MX 151, OppO BDP-95, JVC RS-500 DILA projector, 106" diagonal Stewart Luxus Screenwall Deluxe with Studiotek 130 G3 material.

Lake House:
Ohm F, MC 275V, C2300, MR 77, Rega P3

OnDeck:
McIntosh MAC 4300v

Last edited by W9TR; 01-17-2020 at 12:44 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-17-2020, 04:35 PM
Cohibaman's Avatar
Cohibaman Cohibaman is offline
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 4,373
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by W9TR View Post
Upsampling + interpolation doesn't increase the true resolution of the source. It does interpolate between the source data points and adds extra calculated samples. If the over sampling rate is an integer multiple of the source frequency the math is very straight forward.

The biggest impact is it moves the alias frequencies far outside the audio band, allowing for simpler digital and analog reconstruction filters.

I think that is what we hear when we over sample - the filters used by the DAC, not the oversampling process itself.

Tom


+1
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-17-2020, 05:13 PM
2fastdriving's Avatar
2fastdriving 2fastdriving is offline
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,704
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by audioguy3107 View Post
Yep......time to upgrade!!

- Buck
Nah, plenty of other options to make it sound fantastic!
__________________
--Marc

Audio Research Ref6SE, Ref160M's / Esoteric N-01XD, G-02X, E-03 / Wilson Alexx / Clearaudio Ovation with Universal Tonearm / Lyra Kleos / Transparent Reference Gen5 / Shunyata Denali 6000S V2, Sigma Clock50, Sigma and Alpha HC PC's / HRS S3 Isolation bases / Roon, Tidal, Qobuz Intel NUC / Uptone EtherREGEN / GIK Acoustics panels / Adona rack
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01-17-2020, 06:35 PM
nicoff nicoff is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,531
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by W9TR View Post
Upsampling + interpolation doesn't increase the true resolution of the source. It does interpolate between the source data points and adds extra calculated samples. If the over sampling rate is an integer multiple of the source frequency the math is very straight forward.

The biggest impact is it moves the alias frequencies far outside the audio band, allowing for simpler digital and analog reconstruction filters.

I think that is what we hear when we over sample - the filters used by the DAC, not the oversampling process itself.

Tom

Totally agree.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 01-17-2020, 06:39 PM
dixon007's Avatar
dixon007 dixon007 is offline
Senior Member

 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 333
Default

8Fs is my preference
__________________
MC 1.2kW, C1100,
Esoteric D-02X & G-01X,
Aurender W20 SE, Oppo 205,
MX122, MC8207,
Paradigm Persona 7F, C5v3, ADP3,
JL Audio CR-1 and f113v1,
Shunyata Denali 6000/S v2, Venom PS8,
Shunyata and WW PCs, SCs and ICs.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 01-17-2020, 06:39 PM
SCAudiophile's Avatar
SCAudiophile SCAudiophile is online now
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Greenville SC
Posts: 3,981
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by W9TR View Post
Upsampling + interpolation doesn't increase the true resolution of the source. It does interpolate between the source data points and adds extra calculated samples. If the over sampling rate is an integer multiple of the source frequency the math is very straight forward.

The biggest impact is it moves the alias frequencies far outside the audio band, allowing for simpler digital and analog reconstruction filters.

I think that is what we hear when we over sample - the filters used by the DAC, not the oversampling process itself.

Tom
Great post!
__________________
Legacy Audio VALOR, Legacy Audio i.V4 ULTRA 4ch amp, Legacy Wavelet with HDPlex 200W LPSU & Revelation Audio Labs Passage Cryo-Silver DC Umbilical, Esoteric P-02, D-02, Legacy i.V4 ULTRA, Cybershaft Premium Limited Type2 OP21A 10 MHz Clock, SHUNYATA TRITON v3 & TYPHON QR, Avatar Acoustics AfterBurner8 duplexes, Elrod MASTER SERIES Statement Gold Power cords, Elrod Statement Gold Power cord,, Elrod Statement Gold XLR, Elrod Diamond XLR, Shunyata SIGMA AES/EBU 110ohm, Shunyata SIGMA CLOCK-50, Shunyata SIGMA XLR, Shunyata Anaconda Zitron XLR, Elrod Statement Gold speaker cables x 2, Adona AV45CS4, AV45, Composite Audio CF-2010, HRS DPX Damping Plates, Stillpoints Ultra SS w/Ultra Bases

Computer Audio/Rip Playback: Apple MacBook Pro 15” 2019, 6-core i9, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, Audirvana+ v3, iTunes, REW Audio Analyzer for MacOS, dbPowerAmp, DVD Audio Extractor
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 01-17-2020, 07:42 PM
Weirdcuba's Avatar
Weirdcuba Weirdcuba is online now
Senior Member

 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 2,315
Default

Uhhh, isn’t it really just the shiniest thing that sounds the best?
__________________
Main Rig:

Amplification
> Accuphase A200 (2) / C3800 /
> LampiZator MC2 / Silver
Sources
> LampiZator Pacific DAC
> Luxman D-08u
> LampiZator SuperKomputer (via Roon/NAS)
> Magnum-Dynalab > MD-108T SE / MD-205
> J. Sikora Standard Max > Sikora V12 Arm > Lyra / Kleos // Kuzma 4Point Eleven Arm > ClearAudio / Concerto V. 2
Speakers/Cables > TAD R-1 MKII > Elrod Master Statement (shotgun run) // REL 212 SEs (2x)
Power > Nordost QBase8 Mk II (2), QX4, QKore 1, 3 and 6, QV2, QK1 > AddPOWR EAU2 (2)
Foundation > Rix Rax > Hoodoo / Amp Stands > Stillpoints applied liberally > Symposium Super Plus Platforms and EVPs under Subs > SortKones
IC/PC > Power // Elrod Master Statement Diamond (3) // Final Touch Audio > ICs // CH Acoustic X10 > Digital // AQ Diamond
Other > Audio Desk Systeme Vinyl Cleaner Pro
Portables and Cans:

IEMs > Westone W50, Bose QC20
Sources > Onkyo DP-X1
IC/SC/PC > Sennheiser Balanced / AQ Yukon XLRs / Shunyata Venom 3 (2) / Black Dragon Balanced


Daughter's Room:

KEF LS50 Wireless
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01-17-2020, 08:12 PM
SCAudiophile's Avatar
SCAudiophile SCAudiophile is online now
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Greenville SC
Posts: 3,981
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Weirdcuba View Post
Uhhh, isn’t it really just the shiniest thing that sounds the best?
Like shiny TAD R1 Mk2s for example
__________________
Legacy Audio VALOR, Legacy Audio i.V4 ULTRA 4ch amp, Legacy Wavelet with HDPlex 200W LPSU & Revelation Audio Labs Passage Cryo-Silver DC Umbilical, Esoteric P-02, D-02, Legacy i.V4 ULTRA, Cybershaft Premium Limited Type2 OP21A 10 MHz Clock, SHUNYATA TRITON v3 & TYPHON QR, Avatar Acoustics AfterBurner8 duplexes, Elrod MASTER SERIES Statement Gold Power cords, Elrod Statement Gold Power cord,, Elrod Statement Gold XLR, Elrod Diamond XLR, Shunyata SIGMA AES/EBU 110ohm, Shunyata SIGMA CLOCK-50, Shunyata SIGMA XLR, Shunyata Anaconda Zitron XLR, Elrod Statement Gold speaker cables x 2, Adona AV45CS4, AV45, Composite Audio CF-2010, HRS DPX Damping Plates, Stillpoints Ultra SS w/Ultra Bases

Computer Audio/Rip Playback: Apple MacBook Pro 15” 2019, 6-core i9, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, Audirvana+ v3, iTunes, REW Audio Analyzer for MacOS, dbPowerAmp, DVD Audio Extractor
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Audioaficionado.org tested by Norton Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:28 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©Copyright 2009-2021 AudioAficionado.org.Privately owned, All Rights Reserved.
Audio Aficionado Sponsors
AudioAficionado Subscriber
AudioAficionado Subscriber
Inspire By Dennis Had
Inspire By Dennis Had
Harmonic Resolution Systems
Harmonic Resolution Systems
Wyred4Sound
Wyred4Sound
Dragonfire Acoustics
Dragonfire Acoustics
GIK Acoustics
GIK Acoustics
Esoteric
Esoteric
AC Infinity
AC Infinity
JL Audio
JL Audio
Add Powr
Add Powr
Legend Audio & Video
Legend Audio & Video
Audio by E
Audio by E
Canton
Canton
Bryston
Bryston
WireWorld Cables
WireWorld Cables
Stillpoints
Stillpoints
Bricasti Design
Bricasti Design
Furutech
Furutech
Shunyata Research
Shunyata Research
Accuphase
Accuphase