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Old 11-24-2022, 02:40 PM
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I am interested in the MC3500. I love the musical experience tubes provide, but I also enjoy the power and clarity that McIntosh's quad-balanced designs offer.

If my memory is correct, you have both in the system, where you can switch back to the MC1.25s if you wish.

Have you switched back to the MC1.25s for fun, or are you so pleased with the power the MC3500 offers that you feel you do not have to?

I ask because my current system is doing double duty with movies, and the MC75 does have the muscle for the sound levels I like to hit.

To get back on track, I see where the MCD12000 makes sense with the C12000 system.
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Old 11-25-2022, 12:34 PM
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McMan, in my system most of the difference is in the bass. I have been giving my 3500's a break and have been recently using my 1.25's. In my system I can make my 1.25's sound very similar to my 3500's by changing the crossover slope to 12 dB/octave. Compared to the 3500's at 18 dB/octave the 1.25's lack the drive and pace of my 3500's.

I still give the 3500's the edge in the mids and highs but its not much. I want to emphasize that Mac bass is not smeared or fat. I can't stand that kind of bass. You can have tight over damped bass with superb resolution, no question. However, I want natural bass with great resolution that sounds like real bass. You get this with a 3500.

I went with a D1100/MCT500/3500 trio. I am extremely satisfied with my amplification, although I guess I'd prefer the other trio if I had the choice.

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Old 11-25-2022, 09:45 PM
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Thank you for sharing your experience with both amplifiers.
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Old 11-28-2022, 11:13 AM
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I think the target audience can be a person who only does digital as source.

I only listen via streaming and yet currently own MA12000.
Only the USB input is currently used among plethora inputs that MA12000 support.

With similar money, one can do MDA200 + MC462 and you get more powerful and separate amp that is more upgradeable and much simpler preamp electronic.

In my case - I would probably choose the above over MA12000 - the only question is whether MDA200 preamp section is good enough.
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Old 11-28-2022, 12:41 PM
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I think the target audience can be a person who only does digital as source.

I only listen via streaming and yet currently own MA12000.
Only the USB input is currently used among plethora inputs that MA12000 support.

With similar money, one can do MDA200 + MC462 and you get more powerful and separate amp that is more upgradeable and much simpler preamp electronic.

In my case - I would probably choose the above over MA12000 - the only question is whether MDA200 preamp section is good enough.
Your suggestion is an excellent way to begin building a premium Mac system. I think the pre will be of the same quality but you sacrifice flexibility. You could also add a suitable Mac tube amp and a C-22. I think the MDA200 is a great addition to the Mac lineup. I think its quality would support a MCT500 transport. Use the MCT input for SACD's. I really like the C-22. It's gorgeous.

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Old 11-29-2022, 12:47 PM
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I think the target audience can be a person who only does digital as source.

I only listen via streaming and yet currently own MA12000.
Only the USB input is currently used among plethora inputs that MA12000 support.

With similar money, one can do MDA200 + MC462 and you get more powerful and separate amp that is more upgradeable and much simpler preamp electronic.

In my case - I would probably choose the above over MA12000 - the only question is whether MDA200 preamp section is good enough.
I'm pretty sure that an MDA200 with a "good enough" preamp would be a C2700.

I agree with Charles's message that a C22 is a good mate for the MDA200--I think this would also be equivalent to a C2700.

Although preamps such as the C22 seem like added cost and complexity for a digital-only system, I believe a good preamp such as the C22 or C2700 delivers a much richer sound than a DAC with a volume control direct to a power amp
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Old 11-29-2022, 07:49 PM
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I'm pretty sure that an MDA200 with a "good enough" preamp would be a C2700.

I agree with Charles's message that a C22 is a good mate for the MDA200--I think this would also be equivalent to a C2700.

Although preamps such as the C22 seem like added cost and complexity for a digital-only system, I believe a good preamp such as the C22 or C2700 delivers a much richer sound than a DAC with a volume control direct to a power amp
Peter, I would say that you have summed it up quite well. I think the MDA200 is aimed at C-22 owners like you that desire a complete Mac signature system. This would include me if I owned a C-22. If I bought a 2700 a MDA200 would not be a consideration.

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Sources: McIntosh MCT500 SACD/CD Transport, MVP881 BR player, MVP851 DVD player, MR87 tuner, Marantz 510LV Laser Disc player, ASUS laptop USB (JRiver Media Center 23)
Speakers: Wilson Audio Specialties XVX Chronosonic; custom made Wilson Acoustic Diodes
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Cables subwoofer system: Audioquest Redwood speaker cable (1); Wolf balanced subwoofer IC from ActivXO crossover to amp; Wind balanced IC from preamp to ActivXO; Hurricane HC (2) and Dragon HC (1) power cords
Power conditioners: Audioquest Niagara 7000 (1) and Niagara 5000 (3); (4) dedicated 20-amp lines with no. 10 wire straight out of fuse box
Isolation: Wilson Pedestals for D1100; MVP881 BR player; MCT500 transport; MR87 tuner; plinth for Thor subwoofer made of X material with the Wilson Acoustic Diodes
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