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Old 03-02-2021, 10:20 AM
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This is mistaken. As W9TR noted, a properly functioning breaker should allow current in excess of its rating for short periods, by design. Provided that you're using properly rated in-wall wire is and that it and your devices are properly installed, there should be no risk of fire. A correctly installed 15A line should be able to safely conduct 15A all day long. There is something wrong if it can't.

While you may suffer some voltage drop if the current heats up the wire, you can avoid that issue by using de-rated wire, e.g. 10AWG on even a short 20A line. Consider that the NEC sets only minimum standards for safety and there can be advantages to exceeding code requirements.

I agree with Ivan about dynamic headroom and its value everywhere in an audio system. So I'd never fully load a 20A line - even a dedicated, de-rated one.
Yes, I know you like to debate me on every post but you really should educate yourself first before attempting it every time. http://www.totalpower.ca/wp-content/...t_Breakers.pdf
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Old 03-02-2021, 10:40 AM
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FYI

The 80% continuous current rule that is part of the electrical code.

https://youtu.be/9q31SzeVjP0
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Old 03-02-2021, 10:53 AM
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Replacing my GIK panels with Stillpoint Aperture II panels on front wall.
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Old 03-02-2021, 12:30 PM
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Yes, I know you like to debate me on every post but you really should educate yourself first before attempting it every time ...url]
You might want to consider that this is the Friendly Forum for High End Audio. I've reminded of you that previously, but you seem to sometimes forget to respect the culture here.

You might want to also check your facts. I do not debate you "on every post," but only on a few - typically where you make a factual error. Perhaps you have confused me with someone else.

I am relatively educated on the NEC and electrical matters and that is why I corrected your mistaken assertion that a properly functioning 15A line will not provide 15A of current. It is reasonable for you to expect a polite correction when you make a false assertion.
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How did this thread become all about power?

Anyway, my 2020 plans have already gone a bit awry. I was going to just buy a couple of record cabinets, but find myself researching turntable isolation platforms, possible additional room treatments, and that cool Rega Planar 10.
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You might want to consider that this is the Friendly Forum for High End Audio. I've reminded of you that previously, but you seem to sometimes forget to respect the culture here.

You might want to also check your facts. I do not debate you "on every post," but only on a few - typically where you make a factual error. Perhaps you have confused me with someone else.

I am relatively educated on the NEC and electrical matters and that is why I corrected your mistaken assertion that a properly functioning 15A line will not provide 15A of current. It is reasonable for you to expect a polite correction when you make a false assertion.
If you are going to start a post by calling the info in my post a "mistaken" theory, that which is an actual electrical code and was presented by licensed electricians and NEC, as well as supported by various videos I have already posted from folks whose job it is to know it, then you should not expect a level of friendliness after numerous such examples in the past. I did not say anything "unfriendly" other that to "educate yourself on the topic" which is quite normal in ANY culture.
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If you are going to start a post by calling the info in my post a "mistaken" theory, that which is an actual electrical code ...
A properly installed and functioning 15A line will deliver 15A of current. All day long. I'm not the first in this thread to note that.

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... then you should not expect a level of friendliness ...
Actually, I expect you to be friendly here all of the time. Again, this is The Friendly Forum for High End Audio. It's beginning to appear that's a problem for you.

Have a Nice Day.
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A properly installed and functioning 15A line will deliver 15A of current. All day long. I'm not the first in this thread to note that.


Actually, I expect you to be friendly here all of the time. Again, this is The Friendly Forum for High End Audio. It's beginning to appear that's a problem for you.

Have a Nice Day.
I'll repeat it one last time. There is an 80% continuous load rule with the electrical code. If you want to be pulling 15 all day long, you better be on a 20 amp line or it is against code.
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Meze headphones and video scaler in the next six months and to put a cartridge on, and set up the lovely Clearaudio turntable you sold me.
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