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Old 09-22-2022, 09:27 PM
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I’m using a nucleus and the update worked great for me.
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Old 09-22-2022, 11:00 PM
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Well, this ARC feature is a 'category mistake'. I made good living designing networking equipments (wifi, switches, routers). I think i understand what they do.

Unfortunately, the solution as designed requires interactions with the home routers and setup correctly one of two protocols. There are several serious problems with that:
- will not work on most routers provided by the fiber or cable company.
- All routers are different - this is a support nightmare.
- Many standalone routers will not support those features. I just moved from US to Canada to a new house, ditched my fancy enterprise gear and bought latest and greatest expensive Netgear Orbi 11ax router and mesh satellites (RBK852), a 1k+ USD affair. it does not support either UPnP or NAT-PMP. I have zero way to make this work with this gear.

There is only one way to make stuff like this work seamlessly. You need to make the roon core initiate a connection to the cloud, preferably with WebSocket or HTTP2, and make ARC app connect to the cloud. This business of exposing the Roon Core 'securely' from home networks is, well a category mistake. NAS companies like Synology have known that for a long time, quickconnect works like that, ie the NAS box connects to a server on the internet.

I love Roon, it's how i consume all my music, but man oh man do that have blind spots. They can't figure out the most basic fuzzy search technology. Search for 'the dooes', an easy typo, will still not find 'the doors'. come' on, it takes 5 minutes to make this work properly on any Lucene based text serch engine (like ElasticSearch, Solr, etc). This Roon ARC thing tops off all bad decisions, is a predictable nightmare, this feature will go down in flames, cant be saved.
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Old 09-23-2022, 08:05 AM
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Thanks CheezWhiz - I am not a networking specialist, but tried to understand what Roon did from the announcement pages.
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Old 09-23-2022, 11:37 AM
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Well, this ARC feature is a 'category mistake'. I made good living designing networking equipments (wifi, switches, routers). I think i understand what they do.

Unfortunately, the solution as designed requires interactions with the home routers and setup correctly one of two protocols. There are several serious problems with that:
- will not work on most routers provided by the fiber or cable company.
- All routers are different - this is a support nightmare.
- Many standalone routers will not support those features. I just moved from US to Canada to a new house, ditched my fancy enterprise gear and bought latest and greatest expensive Netgear Orbi 11ax router and mesh satellites (RBK852), a 1k+ USD affair. it does not support either UPnP or NAT-PMP. I have zero way to make this work with this gear.

There is only one way to make stuff like this work seamlessly. You need to make the roon core initiate a connection to the cloud, preferably with WebSocket or HTTP2, and make ARC app connect to the cloud. This business of exposing the Roon Core 'securely' from home networks is, well a category mistake. NAS companies like Synology have known that for a long time, quickconnect works like that, ie the NAS box connects to a server on the internet.

I love Roon, it's how i consume all my music, but man oh man do that have blind spots. They can't figure out the most basic fuzzy search technology. Search for 'the dooes', an easy typo, will still not find 'the doors'. come' on, it takes 5 minutes to make this work properly on any Lucene based text serch engine (like ElasticSearch, Solr, etc). This Roon ARC thing tops off all bad decisions, is a predictable nightmare, this feature will go down in flames, cant be saved.
I agree. My AT&T Pace Router does not provide UPnP or NAT-PMP support.

IMHO, Roon 2.0 is a frickin' disaster.
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Old 09-24-2022, 11:47 PM
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Worked for me.
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Old 09-26-2022, 12:06 PM
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Roon 2.0 will not run without persistent internet access. This is a major problem for users like me that have poor or intermittent internet access. Looks like I will stay on 1.8. Sure glad I didn’t opt for a lifetime license.

Then CW notes:
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This business of exposing the Roon Core 'securely' from home networks is, well a category mistake
Indeed, there will be a Roon ARC exploit coming to a NUC near you. Then a transverse attack on your network.
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Old 10-15-2022, 09:58 PM
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Roon 2.0 will not run without persistent internet access. This is a major problem for users like me that have poor or intermittent internet access.
We lost internet - cable down due to downed tree. No problem I thought, I have curated a nice library of music and the main power is still on.

Wrong. I let Roon update to version 2.0 (but I did not load the remote access functionality).

As Tom mentioned, w/o internet Roon 2.0 is DOA. So is Sonos. What did work? JRiver Music Center. Zero issues.

So, stay with Roon 1.8 and pay a yearly license? Unlikely. Lets see how this evolves.
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Old 10-16-2022, 05:30 PM
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We lost internet - cable down due to downed tree. No problem I thought, I have curated a nice library of music and the main power is still on.

Wrong. I let Roon update to version 2.0 (but I did not load the remote access functionality).

As Tom mentioned, w/o internet Roon 2.0 is DOA. So is Sonos. What did work? JRiver Music Center. Zero issues.

So, stay with Roon 1.8 and pay a yearly license? Unlikely. Lets see how this evolves.
Yep, this has been the subject of much discussion at Darko Audio on YT. And....this is the case even for music files resident on an "internal" hard drive in your home that is connected to your internal network.

Bottom-line: No internet? No functionallity. Zip. Nada. Niente.

IMHO, I don't think they could have screwed this up any more if they tried.
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I’ve “upgraded” to 2.0. No issues with the upgrade at either home. But what’s interesting is that I can’t get Roon ARC to work in either of our homes. Not sure I’m going to bother troubleshooting to figure it out (most likely a double NAT issue) since it’s a solution looking for a problem. I stream from Qobuz and Amazon when I’m not at home. The only thing I won’t have access to on the road is my digitized LP’s.
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Yep, this has been the subject of much discussion at Darko Audio on YT. And....this is the case even for music files resident on an "internal" hard drive in your home that is connected to your internal network.

Bottom-line: No internet? No functionallity. Zip. Nada. Niente.

IMHO, I don't think they could have screwed this up any more if they tried.
Sounds like a Cluster Chuff to me.
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