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Old 02-07-2012, 01:20 PM
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Luckily the opposite is true with one of my favorite audio manufacturers (starts with a B...)
I didn't know you had Bose...
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Biggest market = higher demand? I thought the law of supply and demand would then make them more expensive over in the US?

Or, bigger market = more dealers competing with each other that brings prices down? So the german dealer is making $18k more than a US dealer on the sale?
No. There is plenty of supply for the demand in the US. The idea is to manufacture and sell many cars. Since we are the biggest market, many German manufacturers have to be careful about the pricing so they don't price themselves out of the market. Since Audi, BMW and Mercedes are in strong competition against each other in the US, they are all producing similar models that are also priced very similar. There is no shortage of any models from any manufacturer, so there are no inflated prices as your law of supply vs demand would dictate.

Now, at least the last time I heard, Porsche for example, costs relatively the same price in Euro as it does in Dollars here in the US. Why? Because once again, we are used to certain prices and are more or less OK with them as witnessed by the relatively brisk sales of German cars here in the US. Not that the prices are not going up almost every year and with every new model! If any of the German manufacturers decided to increase prices that would reflect the Dollar to Euro conversion and charge the same, they would quickly price themselves out of the market. All the car manufacturers essentially "hedge" against the dollar fluctuations with various financial strategies and tools and that's why many have factories around the world, including the US for models that sell the most as this also helps keep the cost down and profits up.

That is also the reason that BMW and others are in a big hurry to build factories over in China so they can supply their demand and their best selling models and keep prices competitive.

The only car where your model works is Ferrari. There is demand but Ferrari keeps supply in check. There is always 1 Ferrari less than there is actual demand for. That's why you see people paying $40k over just to get a "new" Ferrari with a few hundred miles on it since Ferrari NA does not allow dealers to charge over sticker.

I don't know what the profit margins are in Europe for dealers. I know the profit margins here in the US have been shrinking for our dealers.
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:32 PM
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By the way, don't feel bad for Porsche having to sell their cars at a discounted price to us Americans. The 911 Turbo is a 75% profit car for the company. That is a $150k car here on the average. 5% profit is considered "good" in the industry!

12 most profitable cars - 1. Ford F-150 (1) - CNNMoney
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:48 PM
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Those prices are crazy. Seems like you could buy them from a dealer in the States and have them shipped to you for less than that! Of course I don't know what import fees, etc... would be charged either.
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There are a lot of things being shipped out to Europe. I have an acquaintance who specializes in 993 and earlier body style Porsches. Most of them are being bought up and shipped over by the Germans back to Germany with the Euro vs Dollar exchange rates.
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:26 PM
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I got a quotation in Germany for TAD & speaker stands at the EURO 37,000 mark. (34k for the speakers and 3k for the stands). In Europe you must not forget the VAT (approx 20%) which is the government's stake in everything bought/sold.

Cheapest price I found in Europe is in Spain EUR 33,200.
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Esoteric/Bryston System: ESOTERIC C02-X PRE-AMP, P-02X TRANSPORT, D02-X DAC, G02-X CLOCK, BRYSTON 28B3 CUBED MONOBLOCK AMPS, BRYSTON BHA-1 HEADPHONE AMP, SHUNYATA DENALI 6000/S v2(2) EVEREST 8000 POWER CONDITIONER(2) AMR-DP777-SE DAC, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, QUADRASPIRE RACK, WW PLATINUM CABLES
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Bryston Active System: BP26 PRE-AMP, MPS2 POWER SUPPLY, BAX-1 CROSSOVER, BDA-3 DAC, BDP-3 PLAYER, BCD-3 CD PLAYER, BIT15(2), MODEL T ACTIVE SPEAKERS, 21B3 CUBED AMPS, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, TARGET RACK, WW SILVER CABLES
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I got a quotation in Germany for TAD & speaker stands at the EURO 37,000 mark. (34k for the speakers and 3k for the stands). In Europe you must not forget the VAT (approx 20%) which is the government's stake in everything bought/sold.

Cheapest price I found in Europe is in Spain EUR 33,200.
Isn't that still about $49K US? plus VAT?

In Spain 33200 euros = 43973.4000 US dollars, still not cheap.
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Only here can you drop $40K on stand mount speakers, and be told "What a Bargain"
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Esoteric/Bryston System: ESOTERIC C02-X PRE-AMP, P-02X TRANSPORT, D02-X DAC, G02-X CLOCK, BRYSTON 28B3 CUBED MONOBLOCK AMPS, BRYSTON BHA-1 HEADPHONE AMP, SHUNYATA DENALI 6000/S v2(2) EVEREST 8000 POWER CONDITIONER(2) AMR-DP777-SE DAC, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, QUADRASPIRE RACK, WW PLATINUM CABLES
Accuphase/Canton System: ACCUPHASE E800 INTEGRATED, DP570 CD/SACD PLAYER, T1200 FM STEREO TUNER, DG-68 VOICING EQUALIZER, PS530 POWER SUPPLY, CANTON REF K3s, CANTON REF K5s, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, HRS MXR REFERENCE MAHOGHANY RACK w/ M3X2 SHELVES, WW GOLD CABLES
Bryston Active System: BP26 PRE-AMP, MPS2 POWER SUPPLY, BAX-1 CROSSOVER, BDA-3 DAC, BDP-3 PLAYER, BCD-3 CD PLAYER, BIT15(2), MODEL T ACTIVE SPEAKERS, 21B3 CUBED AMPS, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, TARGET RACK, WW SILVER CABLES
Vintage System
: LUXMAN CL-38u SE PRE-AMP, JBL L300 SPEAKERS, BRYSTON BDA-3 DAC, BCD-3 CD PLAYER, BIT15, 3B3 CUBED AMP, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, WW SILVER CABLES

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