New MCD12000

[dkorbal]

Originally Posted by FreddieFerric

Very nice, but at 12G's, I'll pass

+1 for now

[bart]

Originally Posted by Vignotra

12.000,00 Usd + tax. In Italy 22.000,00 €

14,990€ in Belgium and The Netherlands.
Italy will not be that different.

[jayvis1]

Originally Posted by Stahle

McIntosh still needs a basic stand alone DAC that does not double as a preamp or a CD player and is in a chassis similar in size to the D150. Something like their old MDA700.

It would have been better if they used the digital audio module method used on the new preamps and integrated amps. Better than yet another expensive box on my rack.

[bart]

Originally Posted by jayvis1

It would have been better if they used the digital audio module method used on the new preamps and integrated amps. Better than yet another expensive box on my rack.

Yes, but a module doesn't spin silver discs unfortunately.
A lot of us still use physical media.

[JBT]

MCD1200 has ESS most advanced chipset ESS SABRE PRO ES9038PRO 32-bit/8-channel DAC


https://www.esstech.com/products-ove...diophile-dacs/

[jayvis1]

Originally Posted by bart

Yes, but a module doesn't spin silver discs unfortunately.
A lot of us still use physical media.

My point was that a digital audio module would allow the new CD player's DAC to be upgradable in the future without the consumer having to continually buy separate DAC's or new CD players. This is what McIntosh has been doing with their latest preamps and integrated amps. Is there a good reason why they can't incorporate that design platform into this new CD player? Upgradable and interchangeable modularity is a win-win for the audio consumer as long as the manufacturer continues to support it. It also benefits the manufacturer which won't need to release new models every other year to keep up with the ever-changing DAC hysteria. I also wish McIntosh would bite the bullet and develop an all-in-one digital player that can stream and play discs like other manufacturers. While I'm at it, I doubt very much that this new player will provide $5,000 worth of improved sound quality over the MCD600. It IS pretty and should attract tube fanatics with deep pockets. Is a tube streamer next? How much supplemental heat does a home need?

[PeterMusic]

Originally Posted by jayvis1

It would have been better if they used the digital audio module method used on the new preamps and integrated amps. Better than yet another expensive box on my rack.

This assumes that the module approach would yield equivalent sound quality. Since there are a large number of excellent DACs beginning at $2,000 or so, and all of those DACs rely on dedicated power supplies and large architectures that would not fit inside the module or a Mc pre amp; I question that assumption.

Maximum convenience in the Mc family is definitely a C2700 with DA2. But many have reported better sound quality with external DACs. This product is targeted at them

[JBT]

Originally Posted by jayvis1

My point was that a digital audio module would allow the new CD player's DAC to be upgradable in the future without the consumer having to continually buy separate DAC's or new CD players. This is what McIntosh has been doing with their latest preamps and integrated amps. Is there a good reason why they can't incorporate that design platform into this new CD player? Upgradable and interchangeable modularity is a win-win for the audio consumer as long as the manufacturer continues to support it. It also benefits the manufacturer which won't need to release new models every other year to keep up with the ever-changing DAC hysteria. I also wish McIntosh would bite the bullet and develop an all-in-one digital player that can stream and play discs like other manufacturers. While I'm at it, I doubt very much that this new player will provide $5,000 worth of improved sound quality over the MCD600. It IS pretty and should attract tube fanatics with deep pockets. Is a tube streamer next? How much supplemental heat does a home need?

I suspect if it was feasible to install a digital module Mcintosh would have done it. I have a D1100 reference Dac and it didn't come with the module even though Mcintosh was designing preamps with Dacs at the time.

[jayvis1]

Originally Posted by PeterMusic

This assumes that the module approach would yield equivalent sound quality. Since there are a large number of excellent DACs beginning at $2,000 or so, and all of those DACs rely on dedicated power supplies and large architectures that would not fit inside the module or a Mc pre amp; I question that assumption.

Maximum convenience in the Mc family is definitely a C2700 with DA2. But many have reported better sound quality with external DACs. This product is targeted at them

The best DAC is whatever the user's ears and brain are used to. It's the same as vintage tube component fans who can't find any modern amp that sounds as good as their 50-year-old space heater. Upgrades are usually not immediately noticed IMO, unless your brain is trained to believe that the newest and more expensive component HAS to be better in their system. It usually takes quite a while for me to perceive real sonic improvements between modern McIntosh components. I've A/B'd different components and immediately thought I heard a difference, but really couldn't tell if the difference was actually better or not until I played a good portion of my musical library on it.

[Charles]

This is a reference level CD/SACD Player on par with the C-12000 and meant to be used with it. For around 30K you get reference level quality. Paired with a 3500 MKII or a 1.25KW, I'd soon as have in fact rather have it as the much pricier Japanese gear (in the US, Mac is much more expensive over seas). I'm quite impressed. It's gorgeous.

Best

Charles