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Old 01-18-2018, 10:18 AM
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Such a kill joy in not comparing the Yggdrasil to the K-01x, but to it "in good time."
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Old 01-18-2018, 11:17 AM
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I like being able to relay the facts as I see them, but it is equally important for me to provide insight, excitement and satisfaction with my words. I hope my excitement for the gear I review manages to be transposed to those who read my words. If that happens, that is my reward.

Dan, your liking and excitement statements to me illustrates selfless contribution to helping others formulate better opinions on their journey covering various topics.

Yes, I will openly admit I am appreciative of your efforts and have made several purchases following this manner.

Real reviews and discussions by you and others is the foundation of this forum.

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Old 01-18-2018, 11:38 AM
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Such a kill joy in not comparing the Yggdrasil to the K-01x, but to it "in good time."
David.......That's the advantage I have reviewing and writing for entertainment. Don't fret, I will get to it "eventually". .

In the immortal words of President Abraham Lincoln, "You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time." I am comfortable with that.
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Old 01-18-2018, 01:22 PM
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Dan,
Thanks for another great review. As you said early on, digital audio has come a long way. I really like the approach Moffat and Stoddard have taken in the Yggdrasil.

Your sonic impressions sure emphasize that approach - super accurate reconstruction of the digitized signal followed by well designed filtering make for a great listening experience, not to mention attention to detail in the analog design.

Good audio engineering never goes out of style and it is even better when you get it without the bloviation and bling that seems to permeate high performance audio.

Thanks again for a great review.

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Dan,....well, what can I say? You've done it again. Hit a home run out of the park with your thoughtful, informed, insightful and thorough review of Yggy. You and Serge make a for a team of "heavy hitters" when it comes to audio reviewing. Your Yggy review and Serge's Gumby review are the best reviews I've read of these remarkable components, bar none. Robert Harley's review in TAS is "thin" by comparison.

Its been a while since i've heard Yggy; Gumby is more familiar to me as I own one, but I think I can safely say that your findings and conclusions are 100% accurate with my own experiences, and speak to the somewhat magical way that Mssrs. Moffat and Stoddard produce remarkably musical components that get to the essence and truth of music itself. This is the overarching attribute that I experience with their Muiltibit DACS...they sound less digital, less "sampled" or "contrived" than any digital components I've heard. They simply sound like MUSIC. IIRC, Serge, in his reviews, has said the same exact thing, verbatim. Here's one small example: you refer to the "edginess" in the sound of the Wyred 4 Sound DAC2 D/S DAC by comparison. This is the "glare" that owners of Muitlbit and R2R ladder DACs refer to regarding D/S DACs. It's hard to hear that glare until you hear a component that doesn't do it, and then all of a sudden, you can't "not hear it" anymore in those D/S components. What this means is that these fine Multibit DAC imbue the musical reproduction with qualities and attributes that create more engaging and beguiling listening experiences. Your comment about being able to hear the rosin flying off the bow particularly struck me. I've had similar experiences listening to Jonas Starker playing cello in a small church, where the recording was made. With Gumby, you can clearly hear his breathing and the reverberations of his bow work on the strings reverberate off the walls and the notes decay into space. It's astonishing, and its these kinds of attributes that create these engaging and beguiling listening experiences. It's all these "little" things that you start hearing that you realize you've never heard before that embellishes the musical experience in a completely natural and lifelike way.

Your comment about the price vs performance ratio is spot-on, too. This is one of the great ironies (and quite honestly, its laughable when you think about it) of high-end audio: that there are a not inconsiderable number of folks out there that would not even think about or consider getting an Yggy for their system simply because it does not cost enough. How could a $2300 component possibly sound better than my gold-plated Special Edition Bricasti M1? it tells me that high-end audio in many respects has gone from the sublime to the ridiculous, and many high-end components have become "vleben goods", where the perceived value is directly correlated with the price. Mike, Jason, and their legions of fans and satisfied customers all know better and are "laughing all the way to the bank", in terms of the value we are getting for our dollar. You humorously mention that Mike and Jason should come to their senses, and triple the price of Yggy; I know for a fact that will never happen, and I've read in Jason's blog on Head Fi that they are commited to, and working even harder, to drive costs DOWN.

On a parting note, in Jason's latest chapter of "Schiit Happened" on Head Fi, he talked about goals and objectives for 2018, as would any good exec of a successful company. One of the things that Jason referred to was creating design/product embodiments utilizing new analog amplfication circuit topologies and methodologies that he's developed over the last couple years. My guess is the new "Analog 2" circuitry is the first example of this. And you're right, they did this on the "QT" because I hadn't even heard about it until you mentioned it in a previous post. This is classic "Schiit-y" behavior, working quietly behind the scenes, making their products better and better, and not blowing their own horns about it, just getting on the with the job.

The great irony about a company named "Schiit" is that they execute like nobody's business and are thoroughly "No Bull-Schiit" when it comes to product development, quality and value.

Well done!
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:35 PM
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Stephen.......What an excellent addendum to my review. Thank you. I agree with you that Mike and Jason are making invaluable contributions to their customers in many ways that are flying under the radar for audio enthusiasts who are unfamiliar with Schiit Audio products. I also agree with your perspective about all the little things that become apparent, ultimately combining to recreate a truly life like listening experience with the Schiit multibit DAC's. This awakening often comes from finally being able to hear the micro sounds with correct timing that go unnoticed with more conventional delta-sigma DAC's. Once you've heard how engagingly musical and lifelike a multibit DAC like the Yggdrasil can sound, this refreshing experience becomes a brand new yardstick by which all other digital conversion is measured.
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Stephen.......What an excellent addendum to my review. Thank you. I agree with you that Mike and Jason are making invaluable contributions to their customers in many ways that are flying under the radar for audio enthusiasts who are unfamiliar with Schiit Audio products. I also agree with your perspective about all the little things that become apparent, ultimately combining to recreate a truly life like listening experience with the Schiit multibit DAC's. This awakening often comes from finally being able to hear the micro sounds with correct timing that go unnoticed with more conventional delta-sigma DAC's. Once you've heard how engagingly musical and lifelike a multibit DAC like the Yggdrasil can sound, this refreshing experience becomes a brand new yardstick by which all other digital conversion is measured.
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Absolutely 100% agree. More insightful points and comments. Your thorough research of Schiit as a company as part of doing your background research for your purchase of Yggy have placed you in good stead to understand their product positioning and core values as an audio company.
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Pretty sure it was Stephen who sailed on the SchiitFlower to the new land and brought the rest of us the tales of the new and wonderful DACs that await there.
Ha! LOL! Perhaps so.

But its even more gratifying to know that there were folks open-minded enough to give their products a try and not be biased by things like the company name or, ironically enough, the price of the product.

This is what makes a place like AA so special: we can share our experiences with our fellow members in the pursuit of more accurate and lifelike musical reproduction and those folks can know that we don't have an agenda driven by driving ad revenue, personal associations with manufacturers, spiffs, product placement, shoving new licensing schemes down the throats of customers, etc.

That gives these reviews credibility and as such, they provide a contribution to the society that is AA as a whole.
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Ha! LOL! Perhaps so.

But its even more gratifying to know that there were folks open-minded enough to give their products a try and not be biased by things like the company name or, ironically enough, the price of the product.

This is what makes a place like AA so special: we can share our experiences with our fellow members in the pursuit of more accurate and lifelike musical reproduction and those folks can know that we don't have an agenda driven by driving ad revenue, personal associations with manufacturers, spiffs, product placement, shoving new licensing schemes down the throats of customers, etc.

That gives these reviews credibility and as such, they provide a contribution to the society that is AA as a whole.
Agreed!
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Dan, Dan, Dan, what an fantastic and utterly enjoyable review!
Wow!

I notice something a bit different from the style of your former reviews.
It comes more from the heart, or even deeper, from the belly.
And that is exactly where we experience music at the most intense level.
Beautiful sounds coming from lovely voices and well tuned instruments do not only touch our brain, they affect our whole body, or should do so.
Reading your highly eloquent appraisal makes me realise that this time, a component has really made you come closer to the essence of music.

Bravo!
You are a great author.
Enjoy the Iggy in good health.

I'm looking very much forward to your comparison with your other formidable DAC, the Esoteric K-01x.
I will not be too surprised when it appears that the Schiit component holds it own quite well in such a noble company.
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