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Old 02-12-2021, 03:02 PM
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Yes, I did mean BDP-3 and not BDA-3. Good catch, thank you! I edited the post to make the correction.

The Manic Moose interface just isn't as slick as some of the competition's software, such as Aurender. For example, the Qobuz functionality is extremely limited by comparison to Aurender's Conductor app, but the trade-off is more than worth it to me.
Well, just ask yourself which is more important, a slick interface or sound quality. I read where either you or someone else had an Aurender, but traded it for the BDP-3. Remember, with the BDP-3, you have a fully functional interface and pristine sound quality. The sound quality and ease of use of the interface is the most important priority. A "slick" interface will increase the cost of this product when, in fact, the interface is unimportant when one considers the sound quality.

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Old 02-12-2021, 04:42 PM
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The BDP 3 is a great piece. Manic Moose is stable, reliable and great sounding. Its sound quality was enough for me to let ROON go after the Bryston 60 day trial.

What I would like to see is Qobuz integration in the artist view and tied into the scrapper as Tidal appears to be. For now however, I am pleasantly pleased with the Moose!
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Old 02-12-2021, 05:11 PM
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Well, just ask yourself which is more important, a slick interface or sound quality. I read where either you or someone else had an Aurender, but traded it for the BDP-3. Remember, with the BDP-3, you have a fully functional interface and pristine sound quality ...
I did have an Aurender and dumped it at a loss when I bought the Bryston. I am much, much happier with the BDP-3 and have been from the day I first installed it. It's been absolutely stable, whereas the Aurender was a nuisance and customer support was indifferent. And I'm being kind.
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I did have an Aurender and dumped it at a loss when I bought the Bryston. I am much, much happier with the BDP-3 and have been from the day I first installed it. It's been absolutely stable, whereas the Aurender was a nuisance and customer support was indifferent. And I'm being kind.
Which Aurender? Did you ever get it working well enough to compare the sound quality to the BDP-3?
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Old 02-13-2021, 10:53 AM
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Which Aurender? Did you ever get it working well enough to compare the sound quality to the BDP-3?
I had an Aurender N100H. Frankly, I was so happy to be getting rid of it that I didn't spend a lot of time comparing it to the BDP-3. I think they are very close sonically with perhaps a slight advantage to the Bryston, or perhaps that's just a result of the bias I developed against the Aurender.

I know that many users praise the Aurender streamers and customer support, but that wasn't my experience at all. I'm fairly competent with technology and I write clearly - so I am not happy when I get an answer back from tech support telling me the remedy to my issue is something I already told them I'd tried. Nor do I appreciate being told the issue is missing files when clearly the files are not missing. Or any of the other excuses and nonsense I got back from "Ari" at Aurender.

I've been an audiophile for a long time. One thing I figured out years ago is that this hobby is supposed to be fun, so if a component becomes a nuisance, the only solution is to bail out. So good riddance, Aurender.

After one day with the Bryston I got it to do what the Aurender couldn't in the nine months I owned it.
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I am likely going to add a streamer to my system this year and the BDP-3 (in black) is on the short list along with an N10. I probably won't be able to go and listen to them, so I will be making the decision based on info gathering. Your Aurender experience is definitely something I'll keep in mind.

I don't want to break the bank on a streamer. I am using an XPS13 running JRiver USB out to my D1100. The D1100 is a very nice DAC in my opinion and the USB input does not disappoint. The whole noisy computer USB jitter argument just is not happening, it sounds sublime. I'm sure my Wireworld Platinum USB cable from Ivan is helping also. I wouldn't mind having a streamer where I could compare USB to digital coax and AES though.
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Yes, I did mean BDP-3 and not BDA-3. Good catch, thank you! I edited the post to make the correction.

The Manic Moose interface just isn't as slick as some of the competition's software, such as Aurender. For example, the Qobuz functionality is extremely limited by comparison to Aurender's Conductor app, but the trade-off is more than worth it to me.
1.) Want the slick interface try iPeng for IOS.
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/

2.) Want the slick inteface try OrangeSqueeze for Android.

The only thing I don't know is if other the hardware streamer's lock you in,
and not allow access. I do know Lumin and Naim allowed access!
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I am likely going to add a streamer to my system this year and the BDP-3 (in black) is on the short list along with an N10. I probably won't be able to go and listen to them, so I will be making the decision based on info gathering. Your Aurender experience is definitely something I'll keep in mind.

I don't want to break the bank on a streamer. I am using an XPS13 running JRiver USB out to my D1100. The D1100 is a very nice DAC in my opinion and the USB input does not disappoint. The whole noisy computer USB jitter argument just is not happening, it sounds sublime. I'm sure my Wireworld Platinum USB cable from Ivan is helping also. I wouldn't mind having a streamer where I could compare USB to digital coax and AES though.
Don't worry about the break in time. It took about 5 hrs to settle in and open up. The Bryston BDP-3 definitely has its own opinion on musical presentation. It reminds me of this post I made having to replace tubes in my preamp. I the use digital XLR since I own nothing above 96hz. But I've been eyeing the D1100.... hmmmm
https://www.audioaficionado.org/showthread.php?t=45867
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I did have an Aurender and dumped it at a loss when I bought the Bryston. I am much, much happier with the BDP-3 and have been from the day I first installed it. It's been absolutely stable, whereas the Aurender was a nuisance and customer support was indifferent. And I'm being kind.
I, for one, appreciate your candor and honesty which seems to be rare these days. Since you mentioned customer support, before my unit became a BDP-3, I was having problems with my then BDP-2. Chris from Bryston spent about two hours straight trying to help me by phone. The only reason it took so long is due to my having computer issues. In the end, he resolved my issues. Thank you for your response.
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... The Bryston BDP-3 definitely has its own opinion on musical presentation ...
Can you please explain what you mean here? Do you think the BDP-3 is colored?
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