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Old 10-14-2013, 06:51 AM
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Thanks all, given me a lot to think about.
The plan is to get a Watch center to match up reasonably close to the Sashas.
I could also get another Depth i as i agree that 2 subs are better for tuning bass, this currently resides in a very small office so I had no need for the two but I am building a dedicated media room, 5.6 meters wide X 7 meters long ( roughly 18ft X 22 ft) so the 2nd sub makes sense. For now I'll use some Sonus Walls for rear and upgrade later.
This room is essentially a " man cave " so don't need the family to know how to use it, upstairs will be a simplified 5.1 system ( Denon? and Sonus Faber with Kef sub)in the lounge and a 5.1 in the kids lounge ( old school Denon AVR 2808 with Oppo and Sonus Faber speakers, Paradigm sub)
The thing confusing me is the ML switches by source sensing not manually ( unless I'm missing something) so my over complicating brain still can't work it out yet, i'll get there.
BTW narrowing down amps for the Sashas to The Gryphon Diablo or Parasound was really surprised at some JC-1"s I heard on Alexias, pretty awesome !
Thanks all for your constructive input.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:24 AM
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Enit, careful, there is LARGE and LARGE + LFE, where, as you know, the latter routes LFE to the left and right speakers. Sent from my iPad using A.Aficionado
Ahh Bill, actually Large is actually already with LFE. Unfortunately, too many dilution with these jargons. The original concept still remains across processors and receivers. The large speaker setting is set in speaker configurations. This is the part where it decides what to do with the original signal.

Brands like integra and onkyo have added the Large +LFE for even more bass effects, introduced sometime during the HDMI upscaling technology. The large speaker + LFE comes as a post processing feature.

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Old 10-14-2013, 12:49 PM
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Ahh Bill, actually Large is actually already with LFE. Unfortunately, too many dilution with these jargons. The original concept still remains across processors and receivers. The large speaker setting is set in speaker configurations. This is the part where it decides what to do with the original signal. Brands like integra and onkyo have added the Large +LFE for even more bass effects, introduced sometime during the HDMI upscaling technology. The large speaker + LFE comes as a post processing feature. Sent from my iPhone using A.Aficionado
First, this ^ goes to show the nut roll one has to when integrating a 2 channel design into a multi channel design.


To the topic starter.

Go a qualified dealer and have them tell you what to do.

If you want to do some self study check out what Dolby Labs has in it's document library.

Link: http://www.dolby.com/DocLibTechLanding.aspx?taxid=584

a google search, https://www.google.com/search?q=dolb...ass+management

If you want to read what the internet says or see the theory in practice.

Enit,
to get LFE to the main speakers you must have turned the sub to off or no subwoofer.

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Old 10-15-2013, 03:15 PM
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First, this ^ goes to show the nut roll one has to when integrating a 2 channel design into a multi channel design. To the topic starter. Go a qualified dealer and have them tell you what to do. If you want to do some self study check out what Dolby Labs has in it's document library. Link: http://www.dolby.com/DocLibTechLanding.aspx?taxid=584 a google search, https://www.google.com/search?q=dolb...ass+management If you want to read what the internet says or see the theory in practice. Enit, to get LFE to the main speakers you must have turned the sub to off or no subwoofer. Bill Sent from my iPhone using A.Aficionado
Yes, in GHW's case, it would have to be so. Thanks bill!

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Old 07-26-2021, 11:41 PM
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Colleagues.
About a week and a half ago, I had to go to Seattle for some business and also looked around for a new AV receiver.
Since I live in a smallish house, I need to incorporate my listening space with my "theater" space.The audio-advisor informed me that my present speakers were "ok" for home theater, but not up to the task of the delicate nuance of listening. Further that my present system was not worthy to wear the title of Hi-Fidelity.

OK, a snob is a snob and maybe the guy just had a smack down with his wife but that did tend to put my teeth on edge.

In my way of thinking accurate reproduction is accurate reproduction. It doesn't matter if it is an audiophile recording or a movie soundtrack, the job of a playback system is to reproduce the signal without adding or subtracting anything from or to it. In other words a straight wire with gain.

This whole notion that you need one type of system for movies, and a two channel system for music is totally lost on me.
It reminds me of a carefully worded response given by our late and lamented colleague Paul W. Klipsch once said: "Bullshit"
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Old 07-27-2021, 07:51 AM
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Colleagues.
About a week and a half ago, I had to go to Seattle for some business and also looked around for a new AV receiver.
Since I live in a smallish house, I need to incorporate my listening space with my "theater" space.The audio-advisor informed me that my present speakers were "ok" for home theater, but not up to the task of the delicate nuance of listening. Further that my present system was not worthy to wear the title of Hi-Fidelity.

OK, a snob is a snob and maybe the guy just had a smack down with his wife but that did tend to put my teeth on edge.

In my way of thinking accurate reproduction is accurate reproduction. It doesn't matter if it is an audiophile recording or a movie soundtrack, the job of a playback system is to reproduce the signal without adding or subtracting anything from or to it. In other words a straight wire with gain.

This whole notion that you need one type of system for movies, and a two channel system for music is totally lost on me.
It reminds me of a carefully worded response given by our late and lamented colleague Paul W. Klipsch once said: "Bullshit"
Having done a high fidelity, hybrid 5.1 /2ch and a 7.1/2ch system in the past very successfully albeit expensively [emoji2], I concur with the assessment below of what you were told.

It is in fact "high fidelity" Bullshit. [emoji1787]

What you need are the right choices of HT processor with pass through capabilities, a good 2ch pre, good 2ch audio grade mains speakers and amps to start a baseline. From there it's building blocks in terms of cables, good center, surrounds, etc...as usual.
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Old 07-27-2021, 07:53 AM
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Petronius I get where you are coming from for I have wrestled with that exact thought. When I started out many moons ago there was only 2 channel and as life got in the way (marriage, children, collage, etc., etc.) I found myself at a point where I had two systems, one 2 channel, one 5.1. Neither systems were the quality I have know but a few years ago I decided to get back into the hobby and upgrade. I soon started asking myself what was important to me and this is what I landed on.

"I wanted a system that was enjoyed by my family and when push can to shove two channel was more critical." I don't have unlimited funds for the hobby so combining the two systems allows me to explore better equipment. Also, one system in a room that is used on a regular bases will see more activity. YMMV

I said all that because I believe one must decide where to direct his/her primary attention when building a system. Two channel or Home Theater. Yes SQ is important to both and can be addressed at the same time but many decision will be made that leans one way or the other. Let me give an example I faced. Do I buy an AV receiver/processor and run my two channel through it or a preamp and use passthru. I decided on the c2700 with passthru because I believe it gave me a "better" chance at two channel SQ. Consequently, it also elevated my HT system in the process. A win-win for me. Others may decide on a AVR/Processor because 11 channel movie playback is more important.

In the end, I believe a carefully calculated system which is approached from either two channel or HT will result in elevating both.
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Old 07-27-2021, 06:21 PM
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SC,
if I understand your response, The Twain shall not meet. So there is no way a multi channel system can deliver a musical performance as well as a two channel system. is that correct?

And I did hesr Mr. Klipsch utter that very statement, along with "...how do you miniatuerise a 32 foot wave.

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Old 07-27-2021, 07:45 PM
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SC,
if I understand your response, The Twain shall not meet. So there is no way a multi channel system can deliver a musical performance as well as a two channel system. is that correct?

And I did hesr Mr. Klipsch utter that very statement, along with "...how do you miniatuerise a 32 foot wave.
Not at all...my post was saying the assertion that one needs separate systems is wrong. It was stating with the right baseline choices you can in fact do it quite effectively.
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Old 07-27-2021, 08:31 PM
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I do believe we agree then.
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