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And consider a carpet or towel something that you might throw over that glass table when you listen. It’s not fatal, but it will likely create reflections - but it’s all easily handled with something as simple as a towel or just something to buffer that glass. The good news is that you can take it off when you stop listening and the others in the household won’t complain about it! As Craig said - it’ll take a while ... enjoy it.
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1) In Step 1, you describe moving the left speaker straight forward "while doing your best to maintain toe-in". Do you mean that as you move it forward try to adjust toe-in so that the speaker continues to point at the spot 18" behind the listening position? Later in that section, you say to "Check that toe-in is correct". By correct, do you mean still pointed at the spot 18" behind the listening position? 2) Towards the end of Step 1, you indicate that once you have the one spot that is the best to move the speaker "slightly in each direction". Do you mean just move it slightly forward and back? Or do you also mean left and right? 3) In Step 2, you write that the right speaker should match the "physical toe in of the left" when starting that Step. Just confirming that you mean that the right speaker should also be pointing the same spot 18" behind the listening position. Is that correct? 4) In Step 2, you indicate that you "begin sliding the speaker forward". Am I correct that I should adjust the toe-in as I slide the speaker forward so that the right speaker is still pointing at the same spot 18" behind the listening position? 5) Can you provide more detail on what you mean by "bass pressure" vs. "bass imaging"? I'm not sure what you mean by "pressure" and how to differentiate it from "imaging". 6) In Step 2, you indicate that when you are on the correct spot with the right speaker, the "bass will appear to increase in pace". Can you provide more detail on what you mean by "pace"? 7) At the end of Step 2, you say "At this point set toe in and rake the same with each speaker?" As for the toe-in, are you saying that both speakers should still be pointing at this spot 18" behind the listening position? 8) In Step 3 and Step 4, you refer a few times to making sure that you don't "lose bass lock". Can you describe what it will sound like if I've lost base lock? Thank you very much! |
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hattrick15 - unfortunately, jdandy passed away some time ago.
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Sumiko master set-up process
This process is something attributed to what Sumiko taught its speaker installers. None of us can know for sure if this is true or not. I was not trained on it but have followed it many times. It requires patience and trained ears.
I didn’t get to caught up with the words - pace, pressure etc. I tried to hear the best bass I could find. That is a personal choice/decision. This can make you go ‘mad’ if you let it. Yes, when you get them dialed in - working with the room and each other - it can be magical with great bass and imaging, there is nothing magical about it. It’s all physics. When you hit a wall eg can’t hear changes. Step away for a few hours or overnight. It will help keep you sane. See my attempts to answer your questions below. Please note that toe in of 18” behind your head is in only a starting point as you may tweak it at the end of the process. Good luck Quote:
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I'm very sorry to hear that. 2021 was a very rough year. Here's hoping 2022 is a lot better for everyone.
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From one of my posts (#19) earlier in this thread. In a past life, I spent 14 years teaching MASTERS at Sumiko. And since I wrote what Dan posted, it's pretty safe to say that is what Sumiko taught. |
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hattrick15… Welcome to AA!
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Reviving this thread is perfect timing for me.
I’m pulling my hair out with too many upgrades at once, and I need to start back at the beginning - getting back to the fundamentals. I need to follow this. One question I have is when you get started, how do you decide the width between the speakers?
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Thank you! Happy New Years to everyone on AA!
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