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Old 03-19-2023, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by IllinoisCheesehead View Post
Thanks, Charles! It was definitely a somewhat impulsive splurge. I was considering the upgrade, just hadn’t intended to do it quite so soon. But I walked into my dealer to just talk to them about it, and they had just taken one out of the box and had set it up in their reference system. I played with it for a couple hours, and took it home that night. I just turned 50, so this was a bit of a milestone birthday “happy birthday to me” moment…

I’m curious about your thoughts on your D1100 DAC compared to the MDA200. I saw someone mention in a separate post here that the D1100 is considered a reference level DAC. Where does the MDA200 fall in comparison? I think they both use Sabre chips. 9018 in the D1100 and 9028 pro in the DA2 module, but I honestly don’t know the differences other than the 9028 is newer. Which doesn’t necessarily mean better. And then of course there are all the other components that go into the overall unit. Power supply, output stage, etc.
IC, the MDA200 is not a true reference DAC. If Mac were to build a stand alone reference DAC it would be similar to the MCD12000, which is meant to be the companion to your C12000.

If you notice the stand alone phono pre is the MP1100, which was meant to be the companion to the C-1100 pre as is also the D1100. Essentially, the C12000/MCD12000 is the replacement for the C1100/D1100/MP1100, both of which are McIntosh reference gear.

Unlike many, I choose not to chase the latest chip or discrete DAC design because I believe the key is in the details, i.e., the overall design of the total gear involved. I think your question should be: "What is the sonic difference between an MCD12000/C12000 and an MDA200/C12000.

According to my Mac friend who is an engineer, the MCD12000 has a better DAC than the D1100 and is dual mono, i.e., a true reference tube DAC built by McIntosh. I believe this combo to be my choice for the best vinyl/digital on the market today.

I believe that an MDA200/C12000 combo competitive with my gear: D1100/MCT500. As to which one I would ultimately choose, I would choose mine for several reasons. The D1100 is a true reference quality Mac preamp and the DAC is also of reference quality. I have no interest in vinyl.

If I owned a C1100/D1100/MP1100 combo I would not be envious of the C12000/MCD12000, but I would choose the latter if forced to choose.

This brings me back to your original question about the MDA200 not being a true reference. I believe that you have two choices: go with your original gut instinct: C12000/MDA200 or upgrade to the current true reference: C12000/MCD12000. A replacement for the D1100 is not coming anytime soon, if ever.

I'm content with the choice I made. I believe that you can't go wrong with either of the above choices. What has happened to you has happened to every serious audiophile. You bought a piece of gear that is a true reference that you did not plan on buying. But there it was in all its splendor. You took it home. The rest is history. It's a beauty. It really is, but it's also a hot potato because it has put you on the path of upgrade disease. I say this tongue in cheek but also quite seriously.

Of course the current true Mac reference will sound better, but the MDA200 is a fine stand alone McIntosh DAC, totally compatible with your beautiful C12000. Either way (choice) only your wallet can loose.

Best

Charles

p.s.

Congratulations on your 50th. We all need that excuse to justify our over the top purchase, don't we?
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Charles Updated System: Wilson McIntosh Audioquest
New gear on order: MC2.1KW Anniversary power amplifier; C12000 An preamplifier; MCD12000 An SACD/CD player; AQ 1 meter Dragon balanced IC; 2 meter AQ Hurricane HC power cord; 3 meter AQ Hurricane Source power cord; unspecified 3 meter AQ digital coaxial IC and power cord for my backup MVP851 DVD player given as a surprise gift to me by my dealer
Most recent updates: Latest is the last one posted: AQ Diamond USB replaces AQ Coffee; Wilson Audio Specialties Alexx replaced by Wilson Audio Specialties XVX Chronosonic; new subwoofer crossover; new Galaxy Grey Thors Hammer; Wilson Pedestals; heating and cooling completely reworked and reinsulated resulting in a much quieter, cooler, and more efficient room (cost about 10,000.00). McIntosh MCT 500 SACD/CD transport; Wilson Audio Acoustic Diode for XVX Chronosonic; WEL Signature digital Coaxial cable for MVP 881/D1100 digital connection replacing the optical connection; New plinth for Thor subwoofer made of X material with the Wilson Acoustic Diodes; Thor is now off my floor; MC3500MKII mono block amps (2) and two custom granite slabs; Wilson ActivXO Stereo Electronic Crossover; new 75-ohm multi-directional FM antenna for tuner; total of eight additional Wilson Audio Heavy (red) pedestals placed under the MC3500MKII mono blocks; JRiver Media Center 31
Amps: McIntosh MC3500MKII mono blocks (2), McIntosh MC1.25KW’s (3). All amps set on floor on custom made granite slabs
Preamp and DAC: McIntosh D1100
Sources: McIntosh MCT500 SACD/CD Transport, MVP881 BR player, MVP851 DVD player, MR87 tuner, Marantz 510LV Laser Disc player, ASUS laptop USB (JRiver Media Center 31)
Speakers: Wilson Audio Specialties XVX Chronosonic; custom made Wilson Acoustic Diodes
Sub-woofer: Wilson Audio Specialties Thor’s Hammer (1) horizontal lie; custom plinth of X material with Wilson Acoustic Diode feet; Wilson ActivXO Stereo Electronic Crossover
Cables main system: Audioquest WEL Signature speaker cables and balanced IC (preamp to amps); WEL Signature AES/EBU balanced digital IC for CD playback; WEL Signature digital coaxial cable for MVP 881/D1100 digital connection; Audioquest Diamond optical (1) for tuner, (1) for MVP 851 DVD player, and (1) for LD player for total of (3); Audioquest Diamond USB cable; McIntosh MCT cable for SACD playback; Dragon power cords (5 HC cords and 3 source cords for total of 8); Thunder HC power cord for MR87 tuner
Cables subwoofer system: Audioquest Redwood speaker cable (1); Wolf balanced subwoofer IC from ActivXO crossover to amp; Wind balanced IC from preamp to ActivXO; Hurricane HC (2) and Dragon HC (1) power cords
Power conditioners: Audioquest Niagara 7000 (1) and Niagara 5000 (3); (4) dedicated 20-amp lines with no. 10 wire straight out of fuse box
Isolation: Wilson Pedestals for D1100; MVP881 BR player; MCT500 transport; Wilson Audio ActivXO electronic subwoofer crossover; plinth for Thor subwoofer made of X material with the Wilson Acoustic Diodes; eight Wilson Audio Heavy (red) Pedestals placed under the MC3500MKII mono blocks (four placed under the rails of each amp)
Cabinet: Double Custom Woodwork & Design (CWD) solid walnut cabinet on large casters; holds all sources and preamp; also, Niagara 7000; 11 feet minimum distance from speakers
Acoustic Treatments: Room and Echo Tunes
AC: Dedicated to this room only, an ultra-high efficiency and quiet recently installed Ruud split system 3-ton heat pump.

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