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Masterlu 01-24-2020 09:49 PM

ADD-Powr listening impressions!
 
Ok, today was a fairly busy day for me but each time I had a break, I installed some of my new ADD-Powr units.

First, I installed a Sorcer x4 on my main audio service panel. Remember, these just plug into an unused outlet; they are totally passive.

Next, I installed a (3) Wizard’s, one under each of my Burmester 911 MKIII Amps.

Then about an hour ago, I decided to turn on the system and listen for changes.

I can honestly tell everyone, this is not Dramatic; it is absolutely Profound! I could not believe my ears; it sounded as if I upgraded my Aida’s!

Let me tell you what I just experienced; first, the system has substantially greater dynamics, across the entire audible spectrum.

The sound stage is even wider, deeper, and much more holographic. The Bass has improved in a major way, as if I more than doubled the power of my amps. I also noticed that I am achieving the same SPL with lower gain settings on my preamp. It’s like putting your entire system on Steroids, quite remarkable when you consider this is totally passive.

If this all sounds like a late night Audio TV commercial, I apologize because this is a breath taking transformation.

I started streaming plain Redbook CD’s that I still can’t get over; these units are a real game changer!

Whether you buy one direct from the manufacturer at retail, or as a Subscriber get one from me at a discount, you will have a full 30 day in home trial to experience what I just did.

I think the Sorcer x4 on my main service panel is doing the heavy lifting, so to speak. I am sure Bill from ADD-Powr will chime in. I have photos to post, but was too jacked up, and had to get my initial impressions posted.

In somewhat of a comparison; a Furutech Flux-50 NCF Filter treats a single component at $1250 retail. An ADD-Powr Wizard treats an entire system at $1999 retail. Not to mention how much more impactful the Wizard is on your musical enjoyment, and the risk free home trial.

Much more to follow...

alkizz 01-24-2020 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterlu (Post 993388)
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The sound stage is even wider, deeper, and much more holographic. The Bass has improved in a major way, as if I more than doubled the power of my amps. I also noticed that I am achieving the same SPL with lower gain settings on my preamp.
...

This is my experience with the entry level ElectraClears... It is quite a dramatic difference that I just cannot explain.

Can't wait to add wizard(s) or Sorcerer in April! Better stated, as a question for Bill, is it more advantageous to get 2 wizards and place them near the components or 1 sorcerer x4 near the panel?

For The Love of Music 01-24-2020 10:06 PM

Ivan is not f’in around - it is that good!

And this really makes up for a lot of other things that use power in a system.

Well worth adding any level of this brand!

audio bill 01-25-2020 09:56 AM

With all due respect I'd like to make a technical point of clarification about these devices. They're not passive... it's a unique active circuit which operates in parallel with your power-line so they can't limit current since there's nothing placed in series with your power. The best description of what they do is taken directly from their website:

ADD-Powr technology is Algorithm Digital Defined electrical energy and power. Energy is added to electrical signals and systems. It is unique because it is non-invasive.
  1. The products generate low frequency electromagnetic fields to affect harmonic energy change audio signals and systems.
  2. The products condition AC line voltage through a low frequency pulsing action to effect an increase of the energy delivered to the power supplies of system components by .8 to 2.5 dB or more.
This corresponds to an increase of voltage peaks from 1 to 5%.
Instead of inserting a potentially current limiting component between the incoming AC and your components, a pulsed field now re-references, or biases, the AC signal.

alkizz 01-25-2020 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audio bill (Post 993428)
With all due respect I'd like to make a technical point of clarification about these devices. They're not passive... it's a unique active circuit which operates in parallel with your power-line so they can't limit current since there's nothing placed in series with your power. The best description of what they do is taken directly from their website:

ADD-Powr technology is Algorithm Digital Defined electrical energy and power. Energy is added to electrical signals and systems. It is unique because it is non-invasive.
  1. The products generate low frequency electromagnetic fields to affect harmonic energy change audio signals and systems.
  2. The products condition AC line voltage through a low frequency pulsing action to effect an increase of the energy delivered to the power supplies of system components by .8 to 2.5 dB or more.
This corresponds to an increase of voltage peaks from 1 to 5%.
Instead of inserting a potentially current limiting component between the incoming AC and your components, a pulsed field now re-references, or biases, the AC signal.

Thanks Bill. Was hoping you could help with a question above - is it more advantageous to get 2 wizards and place them near the components or 1 sorcerer x4 near the panel?

thank you again.

Masterlu 01-25-2020 10:54 AM

Today, I am going to try a Wizard on my G90 Video Projector.

audio bill 01-25-2020 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alkizz (Post 993430)
Thanks Bill. Was hoping you could help with a question above - is it more advantageous to get 2 wizards and place them near the components or 1 sorcerer x4 near the panel?

thank you again.

I'm not sure... I'd suggest following up with Ivan or the company directly for the answer to that question! (I'm not that Bill!)

Masterlu 01-25-2020 11:16 AM

While I am still in Awe of what these have done to transform my highest end system; Burmester/Aida/Grandioso. I think it’s worthy to note that I have previously tweaked this system for years, and virtually approached it from a cost no object.

I have left nothing to chance, left no stone unturned. Then along comes these ADD-Powr devices, and what an extreme game changer they are.

Masterlu 01-25-2020 11:23 AM

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Here is a photo of the Wizards getting installed under each Burmester amp; below my HRS-SXR rack. The one in the Center has already been done. I am using WW Electra PC's on all three of them.

https://www.audioaficionado.org/atta...1&d=1579965772

For The Love of Music 01-25-2020 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alkizz (Post 993430)
Thanks Bill. Was hoping you could help with a question above - is it more advantageous to get 2 wizards and place them near the components or 1 sorcerer x4 near the panel?



thank you again.



My thought is, and it’s just that, is to just score the Sorcer, why?

Simply you can try it in both places, and believe in either case you will gain performance. Side benefit is you only need one power cable, and they do make a difference, but not mandatory.

My hunch is the closer the system is to the panel, the better the benefit.

Don’t be surprised if you realize results in other areas as these signals seem to travel and I don’t believe any home lives in is big enough to reduce the benefit - but that’s my opinion.

alkizz 01-25-2020 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audio bill (Post 993437)
I'm not sure... I'd suggest following up with Ivan or the company directly for the answer to that question! (I'm not that Bill!)

LOL - thank you and sorry!

Quote:

Originally Posted by For The Love of Music (Post 993443)
My thought is, and it’s just that, is to just score the Sorcer, why?

Simply you can try it in both places, and believe in either case you will gain performance. Side benefit is you only need one power cable, and they do make a difference, but not mandatory.

My hunch is the closer the system is to the panel, the better the benefit.

Don’t be surprised if you realize results in other areas as these signals seem to travel and I don’t believe any home lives in is big enough to reduce the benefit - but that’s my opinion.

Thank you. I should mention that the components are powered by 2 separate and dedicated 20A runs from the panel.

cohsystms 01-25-2020 04:05 PM

Cohsystms Bill here -
A Sorcer x4 installed near the panel area would be the optimal choice. The technology would affect the wiring in the entire home. The transformers give the harmonic pulsed signal "footprint" a voltage boost that the Wizards cannot provide.
Wizards function well when there are less current hungry devices, such as pre-amps, dacs, etc. Hope that this helps!

alkizz 01-25-2020 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cohsystms (Post 993490)
Cohsystms Bill here -
A Sorcer x4 installed near the panel area would be the optimal choice. The technology would affect the wiring in the entire home. The transformers give the harmonic pulsed signal "footprint" a voltage boost that the Wizards cannot provide.
Wizards function well when there are less current hungry devices, such as pre-amps, dacs, etc. Hope that this helps!

Thank you.

Masterlu 01-25-2020 06:28 PM

I was busy today; I added a Wizard to the following Systems:

1) ClearAudio/Aesthetix analog rig
2) Accuphase/Canton rig
3) Active Bryston rig
4) McIntosh 2-Channel rig
5) G90 video projector

More impressions, and photos to follow...

Mike82 01-25-2020 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cohsystms (Post 993490)
Cohsystms Bill here -
A Sorcer x4 installed near the panel area would be the optimal choice. The technology would affect the wiring in the entire home. The transformers give the harmonic pulsed signal "footprint" a voltage boost that the Wizards cannot provide.
Wizards function well when there are less current hungry devices, such as pre-amps, dacs, etc. Hope that this helps!

Hi Bill:

I'm pleased to see you're back with your Quantum products. I had one of the Symphony Pros about 20 years ago which was in my system for years before it gave up the ghost. I was looking at the Nordost products, but audio was on the back burner for a few years after we adopted 4 kids for funds went elsewhere.

Kids are older now and I have time for my hobby. I'm going to get another when I get rid of some unused gear.

Puma Cat 01-25-2020 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audio bill (Post 993428)
With all due respect I'd like to make a technical point of clarification about these devices. They're not passive... it's a unique active circuit which operates in parallel with your power-line so they can't limit current since there's nothing placed in series with your power. The best description of what they do is taken directly from their website:

[I]ADD-Powr technology is Algorithm Digital Defined electrical energy and power. Energy is added to electrical signals and systems. It is unique because it is non-invasive.
[LIST=1][*]The products generate low frequency electromagnetic fields to affect harmonic energy change audio signals and systems.

So...I read their website, and I did not find that it explained anything that is meaningful to actually understanding what it is doing.

So, I'm curious what the phrase: "...to affect harmonic energy change audio signals and systems" actually means.

ALL electric and/or audio signals are electromagnetic waves/fields. Just read Dollard, Steinmetz, or Heaviside...all electrical energy is the result from the interaction of dielectricity and magnetism.

So, how is this product different, and in what way? What is the transfer function and what is the functional response it is mediating? It's not explaining what the transfer function is, and what the functional response is. If it mediates some sort of physics-based functional response, it can be described by a transfer function. I don't get any of that information from the web page, so it reads like marketing-speak to me.

Masterlu 01-25-2020 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puma Cat (Post 993546)
So...I read their website, and I did not find that it explained anything that is meaningful to actually understanding what it is doing.

So, I'm curious what the phrase: "...to affect harmonic energy change audio signals and systems" actually means.

ALL electric and/or audio signals are electromagnetic waves/fields. Just read Dollard, Steinmetz, or Heaviside...all electrical energy is the result from the interaction of dielectricity and magnetism.

So, how is this product different, and in what way? What is the transfer function and what is the functional response it is mediating? It's not explaining what the transfer function is, and what the functional response is. If it mediates some sort of physics-based functional response, it can be described by a transfer function. I don't get any of that information from the web page, so it reads like marketing-speak to me.

Regardless, all you have to do is experience one in your system “risk free” to become a True Believer. :yes:

That’s what I did. :)

DVass13 01-25-2020 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puma Cat (Post 993546)
So...I read their website, and I did not find that it explained anything that is meaningful to actually understanding what it is doing.

So, I'm curious what the phrase: "...to affect harmonic energy change audio signals and systems" actually means.

ALL electric and/or audio signals are electromagnetic waves/fields. Just read Dollard, Steinmetz, or Heaviside...all electrical energy is the result from the interaction of dielectricity and magnetism.

So, how is this product different, and in what way? What is the transfer function and what is the functional response it is mediating? It's not explaining what the transfer function is, and what the functional response is. If it mediates some sort of physics-based functional response, it can be described by a transfer function. I don't get any of that information from the web page, so it reads like marketing-speak to me.

I have to say that I agree with Puma Cat here. After taking a look at the website I'm a bit more confused than I was to begin with.

cohsystms 01-26-2020 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike82 (Post 993543)
Hi Bill:

I'm pleased to see you're back with your Quantum products. I had one of the Symphony Pros about 20 years ago which was in my system for years before it gave up the ghost. I was looking at the Nordost products, but audio was on the back burner for a few years after we adopted 4 kids for funds went elsewhere.

Kids are older now and I have time for my hobby. I'm going to get another when I get rid of some unused gear.

Hello Mike,
The company is now Coherence Systems. It has resumed where Quantum products ended.
The Symphony Pros have been upgraded to include more inductor coils used as antennas, and an external antenna feature. The low frequency waveform algorithm has been tuned to resonate harmonically with signals in the audio band thereby increasing signal strength by as much as .5 - 1.0 dB.
Glad to hear of your story and am thankful for your support.

cohsystms 01-26-2020 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puma Cat (Post 993546)
So...I read their website, and I did not find that it explained anything that is meaningful to actually understanding what it is doing.

So, I'm curious what the phrase: "...to affect harmonic energy change audio signals and systems" actually means.

ALL electric and/or audio signals are electromagnetic waves/fields. Just read Dollard, Steinmetz, or Heaviside...all electrical energy is the result from the interaction of dielectricity and magnetism.

So, how is this product different, and in what way? What is the transfer function and what is the functional response it is mediating? It's not explaining what the transfer function is, and what the functional response is. If it mediates some sort of physics-based functional response, it can be described by a transfer function. I don't get any of that information from the web page, so it reads like marketing-speak to me.

The phrase appears to have a grammatical error with an omitted preposition “to.” It should read “to affect harmonic energy change to audio signals and systems.”
There is a superposition of a signal upon another signal. The ADD-Powr signal is a low frequency complex waveform. Essentially it is a square wave. The latter signal is the AC line. Our waveform and its programmed algorithm is proprietary information.
Suffice to say that in the time domain, a mathematically complex wave form such as a square wave can be expressed in the frequency domain as a harmonic series of sums of trigonometric functions. This was the discovery of the great mathematician and physicist, Joseph Fourier.
ADD-Powr creates a square wave pattern upon the AC line. Since it is of low frequency, it is not filtered away by power supplies. Instead, it passes on through the DC voltage smoothing stage. So what appears is a series or pattern of small (~.25-1.25v) square waves riding on the DC supply voltage.
It is here where the “smoking gun” action is located.
Since the DC reference has been altered with Fourier series waveforms, we now can understand what takes place. The Fourier series contain a fundamental and a series of related frequencies or overtones, simple harmonics. The harmonics are sine and cosine waves that contain energy or weight. The fundamental frequency contains the most energy and as the harmonic series scales up the band, the energy diminishes logarithmically in the time domain.
Now what used to be a direct current “x” voltage reference at 0 Hz, is now replaced by a direct current “x” voltage with a Fourier harmonic series!
Moving along, when a complex audio, “musical” signal with a fundamental of 100 Hz enters an amplifier stage it will resonate with, for example, a 100 Hz signal that, let us say, is the fundamental of the Fourier series that is riding on the DC voltage. Resonate means impart energy to something or vibrate with something of the same frequency.
So the input audio signal now sees additional harmonic resonant information in the form of the 100 Hz fundamental superimposed upon the DC supply voltage.
Every input audio signal to the amplifier will be affected by this re-referenced supply. This activity is occurring to all the power supplies in the hifi system.
These supplies become transformed to include harmonically rich Fourier series.
Thus, everything that is amplified in the system now has more “juice” at all frequencies along with increased energy, or voltage gain of various degrees depending on the frequency.
Do you follow this or are you getting a picture of what ADD-Powr does?
Now, you may be thinking, “well, how the heck do you do this?”
Ah, that is a question that digs deep into the magic and sorcery...that will have to wait...
Thanks for indulging me!

alkizz 01-26-2020 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puma Cat (Post 993546)
So...I read their website, and I did not find that it explained anything that is meaningful to actually understanding what it is doing.

So, I'm curious what the phrase: "...to affect harmonic energy change audio signals and systems" actually means.

ALL electric and/or audio signals are electromagnetic waves/fields. Just read Dollard, Steinmetz, or Heaviside...all electrical energy is the result from the interaction of dielectricity and magnetism.

So, how is this product different, and in what way? What is the transfer function and what is the functional response it is mediating? It's not explaining what the transfer function is, and what the functional response is. If it mediates some sort of physics-based functional response, it can be described by a transfer function. I don't get any of that information from the web page, so it reads like marketing-speak to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVass13 (Post 993553)
I have to say that I agree with Puma Cat here. After taking a look at the website I'm a bit more confused than I was to begin with.

My personal experience:

A few months ago, after PM'ing with a member here (not sure if he wants to be named), and out of curiosity, I ordered 2 of the entry level ElectraClear devices. Measly investment considering it was less than $200 and there is a great return policy.

In my setup, I have 2 dedicated separate 20A runs from the panel to my components. One for the amps and one for everything else.

I plugged the EC's into each of those outlets and my layman explanation of the result is that I noticed more loudness right away. It was like the gain had been turned up on the preamp but without turning up line noise.

Over time I've tried to pinpoint what it is I've been hearing and the best way I can think of to explain it is that along with more "loudness", the music "hits" harder and is more "crisp" or "clean".

I imagine that doesn't answer many questions but based on my experience I'm going to order a Sorcerer x4 minimally, or a Sorcerer x4 and a Wizard in April.

This will free up one of the ElectraClears so I'd be willing to ship it to someone for a demo in their system all I'd ask is that you pay the shipping costs both ways as I plan to keep it and use it near the AV setup in the family room.

Hope this helps.

BuffaloBill 01-26-2020 12:24 PM

If you want more "juice" at all frequencies why not just get a more efficient speaker, especially horn, with the added benefit of less distortion. No "magic" needed.

cohsystms 01-26-2020 12:36 PM

Sure, that is an option. But if you want more from out of the speaker, or to hear its full potential, then the “magic” recipe of ADD-Powr is necessary.

For The Love of Music 01-26-2020 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alkizz (Post 993566)
My personal experience:



A few months ago, after PM'ing with a member here (not sure if he wants to be named), and out of curiosity, I ordered 2 of the entry level ElectraClear devices. Measly investment considering it was less than $200 and there is a great return policy.



In my setup, I have 2 dedicated separate 20A runs from the panel to my components. One for the amps and one for everything else.



I plugged the EC's into each of those outlets and my layman explanation of the result is that I noticed more loudness right away. It was like the gain had been turned up on the preamp but without turning up line noise.



Over time I've tried to pinpoint what it is I've been hearing and the best way I can think of to explain it is that along with more "loudness", the music "hits" harder and is more "crisp" or "clean".



I imagine that doesn't answer many questions but based on my experience I'm going to order a Sorcerer x4 minimally, or a Sorcerer x4 and a Wizard in April.



This will free up one of the ElectraClears so I'd be willing to ship it to someone for a demo in their system all I'd ask is that you pay the shipping costs both ways as I plan to keep it and use it near the AV setup in the family room.



Hope this helps.



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For The Love of Music 01-26-2020 12:51 PM

ADD-Powr listening impressions!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BuffaloBill (Post 993583)
If you want more "juice" at all frequencies why not just get a more efficient speaker, especially horn, with the added benefit of less distortion. No "magic" needed.



Changing out speakers is fun, and expensive.

From experience before any component or speaker is changed out support the electrical foundation to get the most from your system - it takes work, but that’s the hobby.

The objective for me is it must be better, not different. And a lot of this is done at fractions of price compared to components, speakers and cables.

Masterlu 01-26-2020 01:11 PM

Myself and the family last night was able to see a notable difference in our Theater Projector. The image had more “Pop” dynamic contrast, and slightly deeper color saturation.

Could I have achieved this through re-calibration; I have no doubt. But, as Ed stated above it is the electrical foundation that is being improved. This has immensely increased our enjoyment across the board with all of my electronics.

I can easily state, even at this early juncture this has been the most rewarding “Bang for the Buck” for me.

Masterlu 01-26-2020 01:15 PM

I now have ADD-Powr products on every system I own in Cape Cod.

Masterlu 01-26-2020 02:03 PM

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The Wizard in my Mac 2-Channel room; up on top.

https://www.audioaficionado.org/atta...1&d=1580061762

Masterlu 01-26-2020 02:04 PM

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Here is a Wizard under my Analog rig, at the bottom.

https://www.audioaficionado.org/atta...1&d=1580061847

Masterlu 01-26-2020 02:06 PM

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Here are 3 Wizards under my Burmester Amps.

https://www.audioaficionado.org/atta...1&d=1580061956

Masterlu 01-26-2020 02:08 PM

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A Wizard on my G90 Projector

https://www.audioaficionado.org/atta...1&d=1580062078

https://www.audioaficionado.org/atta...1&d=1580062084

Masterlu 01-26-2020 02:15 PM

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Sorcer x4 in my Audio Main Electrical Panel

https://www.audioaficionado.org/atta...1&d=1580062509

https://www.audioaficionado.org/atta...1&d=1580062514

LarsT 01-26-2020 02:51 PM

Is that a waffle maker on the top shelf 🤣🤣

Masterlu 01-26-2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LarsT (Post 993610)
Is that a waffle maker on the top shelf 🤣🤣

Yes, do you have a problem with that. :lmao:

Puma Cat 01-26-2020 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterlu (Post 993612)
yes, do you have a problem with that. :lmao:

lol..

alkizz 01-27-2020 10:53 AM

I'm starting to get the feeling that Ivan doesn't half-do anything.

crwilli 01-27-2020 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alkizz (Post 993716)
I'm starting to get the feeling that Ivan doesn't half-do anything.



That’s why he is also a verb - Ivanize or Ivanized.

As in; “It only took a year before my audio system was Ivanized.”

audioguy3107 01-27-2020 03:42 PM

Hardest workin’ man in the audio business.......he’s our version of James Brown

GSOphile 01-27-2020 03:55 PM

Ivan, who makes the CD racks shown in a couple of your pics above? Do you sell these or are they commercially available?

Masterlu 01-27-2020 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GSOphile (Post 993740)
Ivan, who makes the CD racks shown in a couple of your pics above? Do you sell these or are they commercially available?

I don’t sell them, but are made by Boltz. Mine are lagged into the basement walls. They each hold an enormous amount of CD’s.


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