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FreddieFerric 12-12-2021 05:57 PM

Congratulations Max Verstappen - 2021 Formula 1 Champion
 
What an incredible finale to a dogfight season. Louis Hamilton and Max Verstappen battled to the bitter end.

https://www.formula1.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjDZ_E3MWoc

Formerly YB-2 12-12-2021 06:54 PM

While Hamilton & Mercedes complained (especially Mercedes), Hamilton blew it on that corner and Verstappen took advantage. Congrats to both for not wrecking each other, as they have done 3-times this season.

Levitator 12-12-2021 07:04 PM

Letting them both race the last lap gave them both a chance to ‘win’ the race and to do otherwise would have been a let down given this was teh race to decide the world champion.

I feel for Lewis somewhat given he pretty much led the whole race but the racing gods smiled down when the safety car had to come out 3 laps from the end - unbelievable finish and look forward to next year when they’ll do it all over again!

FreddieFerric 12-12-2021 07:54 PM

Have to give Hamilton a lot of credit. He ripped off three race wins in a row to tie the points battle. 4 races ago I was saying the championship was Max's to lose and he darn near did.

Always nice to see a first time champion.

crwilli 12-12-2021 08:55 PM

Congratulations Max Verstappen - 2021 Formula 1 Champion
 
It didn’t feel right to me to have the race director take the track position away, that Lewis had worked all race long to build, just for a TV Race. It was a NASCAR type move to me to make the TV audience happy. I don’t agree with it.

Mercedes built their end of race strategy on that track position and poof, it gets taken away.

Had they known, they may have also pitted when Verstappen did.

Formerly YB-2 12-12-2021 09:05 PM

While it was unfortunate that Latifi crashed and the safety car came out, how would you give Hamilton his lead back? Safety car or yellow always piles the cars up. Last lap of the last race makes it doubly unfortunate, but that's racing.

FreddieFerric 12-12-2021 11:24 PM

Latifi's crash was a legit moment and the track officials handled it properly. Clearly bad for Hamilton and good for Max. That's the nature of racing.

As far as NASCAR is concerned it would've been as many GWC finishes as needed to get the race competed under green flag conditions.

Louis had the lead on the last lap and lost it. Nothing more to say about it really.

crwilli 12-13-2021 12:51 AM

Congratulations Max Verstappen - 2021 Formula 1 Champion
 
It was unfair advantage to let Verstappen close by artificially moving the markers. If MB knew they would do that (it was a unique ruling) they may have taken a different strategy. That’s all.

BTW - I couldn’t care less who won.

lostinla 12-13-2021 02:17 AM

Unfair. FIA have been a shambles most of the season. Axe Michael Massi

Formerly YB-2 12-13-2021 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostinla (Post 1050821)
Unfair. FIA have been a shambles most of the season. Axe Michael Massi

F1 has had a problem for many years and they continue under Masi. Trying to balance the performance index between competing companies/ego's (same with IMSA) is a very difficult and thankless job. Was much easier in the days of normally aspirated engines and analog/mechanical controls.

imprezap2 12-13-2021 03:37 PM

Not an easy job being racing director at the FIA with the team managers yelling through their headsets constantly, in my view the thinking behind to let them race the last lap is good.

Also understand that Hamilton and Mercedes are dissapointed after dominating the race up to the safetycar (except for the first lap overtake from Max), but compared the bad luck Verstappen had over the whole season (Silverstone, Bakoe and Hungary) his luck had to change somewhere.

Anyway, I really enjoyed the season, hopefully many like this will follow.

FreddieFerric 12-13-2021 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imprezap2 (Post 1050853)
Not an easy job being racing director at the FIA with the team managers yelling through their headsets constantly, in my view the thinking behind to let them race the last lap is good.

Also understand that Hamilton and Mercedes are dissapointed after dominating the race up to the safetycar (except for the first lap overtake from Max), but compared the bad luck Verstappen had over the whole season (Silverstone, Bakoe and Hungary) his luck had to change somewhere.

Anyway, I really enjoyed the season, hopefully many like this will follow.

Thanks for that. I know there's a lot of caterwauling going around the internet and YouTube that Louis got jobbed, but the fact is sh!t happens in the heat of a race and sometimes lady luck smiles on you and sometimes she smiles on someone else.

It was a terrific season and both drivers perfomed at a phenomenal level.

New car and new rules coming for '22. It'll be interesting to see.

piolaxo 12-13-2021 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreddieFerric (Post 1050870)
Thanks for that. I know there's a lot of caterwauling going around the internet and YouTube that Louis got jobbed, but the fact is sh!t happens in the heat of a race and sometimes lady luck smiles on you and sometimes she smiles on someone else.

It was a terrific season and both drivers performed at a phenomenal level.

New car and new rules coming for '22. It'll be interesting to see.

Yes, there's so much back-slash around this. To be fair, Verstappen got
a big share of bad luck during the season and when it was not luck, it was
the push over in Silverstone that sent him to the hospital and Hamilton got
a slap in the hand of 10 seconds that he recovered over the course of the race.
Full points vs DNF.

In my view, the only egregious point was that race control should have
allowed all the cars to be unlapped, not just the ones in between
Hamilton and Verstappen, but that wouldn't had time left for a full lap.
Hoping for a finish behind the Safety Car, and win the Championship in
the process, is not hugely laudable.

Safety cars are more or less common in street races so it was no surprise
it happened; Red Bull was banking on it, so that was their only chance.
The fact that Toto begged to avoid a Safety Car in the beginning
(a bit pathetic to be honest) says it all.

I for one am happy that Schumacher's record stays level with Hamilton
and there is a new champion with Verstappen.

Audio 1 12-13-2021 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piolaxo (Post 1050883)
Yes, there's so much back-slash around this. To be fair, Verstappen got
a big share of bad luck during the season and when it was not luck, it was
the push over in Silverstone that sent him to the hospital and Hamilton got
a slap in the hand of 10 seconds that he recovered over the course of the race.
Full points vs DNF.

In my view, the only egregious point was that race control should have
allowed all the cars to be unlapped, not just the ones in between
Hamilton and Verstappen, but that wouldn't had time left for a full lap.
Hoping for a finish behind the Safety Car, and win the Championship in
the process, is not hugely laudable.

Safety cars are more or less common in street races so it was no surprise
it happened; Red Bull was banking on it, so that was their only chance.
The fact that Toto begged to avoid a Safety Car in the beginning
(a bit pathetic to be honest) says it all.

I for one am happy that Schumacher's record stays level with Hamilton
and there is a new champion with Verstappen.

This totally mirrors my thoughts and your overview is very well said :thumbsup:

W9TR 12-14-2021 09:01 AM

I really enjoyed this F1 season. I don’t understand the technicalities around the last lap but it sure made for exciting TV viewing.

FreddieFerric 12-16-2021 07:42 PM

Louis Hamilton conspicuously absent from the FIA Awards Giveaway.

Now I wonder why...:scratch2:

doggiehowser 12-16-2021 10:36 PM

Very good and balanced analysis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAnW5AMRBh4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Ee0czVr5s

Puma Cat 12-17-2021 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreddieFerric (Post 1051105)
Louis Hamilton conspicuously absent from the FIA Awards Giveaway.

Hmmm...I wonder why...:scratch2:

Because he's acting like a spoiled brat? :thought:

I like F1 as much as the next guy...but IMHO, the F1 drivers act like prima donnas some (or even, much) of the time.

I don't see this behavior, AT ALL, in MotoGP or World Superbike racers, FWIW. Ever.

They just get on with the job, and don't bitch and moan...

Vale back in 2012...
https://photos.imageevent.com/puma_c...e/LB8N2404.jpg

Troy at Miller...
https://photos.imageevent.com/puma_c...8/LB8N5402.jpg

Two guys...just gettin' the job done.

BuffaloBill 12-17-2021 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crwilli (Post 1050818)
It was unfair advantage to let Verstappen close by artificially moving the markers.

Exactly, was an unexpected benefit to be allowed to move up into second place with fresh soft tires which allowed him to make his risky passing move. A commission has been established to review the questionable ruling and make recommendations for future such situations.

FreddieFerric 12-17-2021 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puma Cat (Post 1051153)
Because he's acting like a spoiled brat? :thought:

I like F1 as much as the next guy...but IMHO, the F1 drivers act like prima donnas some (or even, much) of the time.

I don't see this behavior, AT ALL, in MotoGP or World Superbike racers, FWIW. Ever.

They just get on with the job, and don't bitch and moan...

Vale back in 2012...
https://photos.imageevent.com/puma_c...e/LB8N2404.jpg

Troy at Miller...
https://photos.imageevent.com/puma_c...8/LB8N5402.jpg

Two guys...just gettin' the job done.

And that my friend is post number 10,000 for you. Big time Contrats! :thumbsup:

FWIW, those little rubber people are NUTS! I cringe everytime I see one lose his bike and start sliding or tumbling down the track.

Puma Cat 12-17-2021 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreddieFerric (Post 1051164)
And that my friend is post number 10,000 for you. Big time Contrats! :thumbsup:

FWIW, those little rubber people are NUTS! I cringe everytime I see one lose his bike and start sliding or tumbling down the track.

Ha! Thanks, Freddie! I knew it was coming up, soon.

Yeah, those guys are pretty hard core. No whining and b*tching and moaning with those guys.

Now with the Dainese "Air" leathers...if they fall off, the suit actually inflates like a balloon to protect them from a collision.

Formerly YB-2 12-17-2021 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuffaloBill (Post 1051158)
Exactly, was an unexpected benefit to be allowed to move up into second place with fresh soft tires which allowed him to make his risky passing move. A commission has been established to review the questionable ruling and make recommendations for future such situations.

The commission is mostly a sop to MB/Lewis. I don't expect to see much in the way of changes for 2022.


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