Magico M9
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$750,000 a pair. Oh my.
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Magico M9
Most impressive! But given their height of 80 inches, I would probably need a high chair!
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same height to that on the M6. From the picture they are obstructed from the M6, but in other pictures it can be seen that the tweeter is on the lower part of the mid segment. For sure you need a high ceiling for these! At almost 500kg with the crossover and power supply, oh boy. Monsters. |
Daleks 2.0....take me to your leader
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Interesting they don't quote the roll off specs on their frequency response. Are they claiming it is flat at those freqs?
750K...that definitely makes a statement! |
I admit. I really want it.
But I am really happy with Q7.1 till today. I think I still can push Q7 further, even. Totga |
Once all speaker cables connected, at that height of binding posts, the aesthetic from side and back view will be hurt somewhat. Imagine 4 of TARA Grand Master.
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The binding posts are indeed high...not very practical and an odd design decision. |
The first American loudspeaker designed like the European super speakers. Built in subwoofer with active external crossover requiring 4 monaural amps! Absolutely incredible! I can see why Toga wants one! No subwoofer needed. M9 already has one!
Wilson WAMM with dual Master Chronosonics and needed amps still outweighs M9 considerably so it's light by comparison. I hope somebody buys it. The lockdown should help. Folks get the high end fever during it become delirious and there you go. The next thing you know an M9 and 4 monaural amps are present in your living room. This fever and syndrome is an unreported complication of covid 19. |
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700 lbs Q7 has caused some unpleasant incidents during transportation. My guess is M9 is split below the binding posts. The upper portion is like a complete speaker turned up side down, the lower part is just the subwoofer. That’s why the binding posts are so high. |
As I have lived with many Magico. I understand their intention very well. The low distortion, low coloration.
And I know they will keep push it further. The honeycomb Drivers must be incredible. The reason for external active Cross is well explained and understandable. But it hurt to learn that from preamp it needs 3 pairs of expensive XLR cables. And 4 channels of amp plus two sets of Speaker cables and some power cables. I remember they put binding posts high so that Internal wiring with have equally short length for each Drivers to the best possible. Too bad they are not priced for standard rich audiophile. I feel like owning a 911 Turbo but dreaming to have Chiron in a garage. I can’t even upgrade Q7.1 to Q7.2 status haha. But hey I am sure those honeycomb drivers will appeared In M7 or M8 one day, which will still be unaffordable to most as usual. Toga |
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None of this is a particular problem. M9 is as much a competitor to a speaker like the Tidal la assoluta or the Burmester BC350 as to the WAMM. Both are not compatible with subs. Look at the M9 base. This is a beautiful speaker. It's a little idiosyncratic with the binding posts but the weight is not unreasonable nor is the price for what you get: the complete package in a relatively small footprint (no external subs). Looks like he's leaving room for an M8 at some point. |
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Though no one has heard it yet, I’m sure it sounds very good. And I agree that Magico desires to go after the WAMM. Wilson makes some terrific speakers, so I’m not sure how far they got in that dream. I’m sure someone will listen to it and compare the two and one will excel in one area and the other elsewhere ... I’m interested the in trickle down technology.. Will there be Q7 MK 2, M3 MK 2, or a M8 or M7 like you said. These speakers while still expensive would be a little more reasonable. BTW, I’ve been listening to a Alexia Series 2 system (a friend’s and we’re going back soon) and studying the Alexx as well. Hopefully I’ll get to listen to the Alexx after COVID .... Still no telling what direction I will go with my upgrade - M3 or Wilson? I like them all. Stay safe. |
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I have been trying to get my head around the M9 crossover frequencies. The 15" woofers crossover to the 11" woofers at 120 Hz 24dB/octave. Seems way too high. These 11" woofers crossover to a relatively small 6" mid at 24 dB/octave. No crossover frequency given but we have to assume absolutely no higher than 256 Hz at 24dB/octave since these are not midrange drivers. This seems like a very narrow range (120-256 Hz) for (2) very powerful 11" drivers.
If I'd been guessing I'd have said 15" drivers 18-60 Hz; 11" drivers 60-256 Hz. This nicely covers the bass range which is considered 16-256 Hz. 6" would cover 256-2000 Hz. Tweeter 2000 Hz and up. Also, compared to the bass there seems to be a paucity of mid surface area with only one 6" driver. By contrast my XVX has (2) 7" lower mids and and a 4" upper mid. The Mark 5 tweeter has excellent extension/overlap into the lower midrange as this is a requirement of all Wilson tweeters and is one of the reasons for the soft dome. This is not meant as a criticism because I am sure there is an explanation. There must be something special about these 15" woofers and the active crossover. Perhaps Toga or someone familiar with Magico could explain/speculate. |
An 11” driver start to beam fairly high (~1kHz), it can be easily crossed at 600hz (24 dB/octave) .
This was already done very successfully in the Q7 (I don’t know what are the XO points of the M9, but I would assume they are similar). |
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First, the binding posts are also high on the Q7 Mk2. Second, the 3-way passive crossover for the tweeter, midrange and mid-bass drivers sits directly behind the tweeter and midrange which allows for the shortest cabling distance to these drivers specifically. Lastly, from a connectivity standpoint, you only need one set of outputs (XLR for example) from the preamp (or DAC with VC) to the all analog MXO. From the MXO, you have four XLR outputs to the amps. |
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When I first saw it , I thought Rockport Arrakis. Both are tall, carbon-look, dual 15 inch sub. Before Q7 I was interested in Arrakis, but could not risk buying like that with out extensive listening first. Now M9 is much more advance than the Arrakis. I was really trying to find the way to acquire M9 until I learn that need extra 2 more expensive channels of amplification and cables. Then I stop dreaming. I am in the camp of not mixing different amps in bi-amp set up. So That mean four of super amp to do justice for M9. These are for top 1% of audiophile. Really.
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When the Wilson XVX came out there was alot of talk on the forum about the how expensive it was. These folks did not have that kind of cash. But when I saw it and saw that in many respects the XVX was superior to the WAMM, and at about two thirds the price (the WAMM includes subs, the XVX does not) and that it would fit into my room, I thought it a bargain. I think the same thing is going to happen here. Magico is going to produce a "practical" M9. I believe it will be quite a speaker. I am extremely impressed with the M9. Best, Charles |
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I like the speakers, but I don’t like to add more amp and cables anymore. But I can’t afford these anyway, but’ that is just my idea. There is a diesel engine Bentley, or even Hybrid, to Help lower operating cost. It is fair to say that some want to save fuel bill driving a Bentley. Toga |
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Hi Charles, Yes I am sure of the coming of trickled down models. But I will never be able to afford them too as Q7 resale value will not cover even half of what to come. At the time I pulled the trigger for Q7 I told myself that they will be my end game speakers, and that is still true, until I won A lotto. Oh and congrats on new XVX, I like those too. TOGA |
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The XVX has a better rear ambiance feature than the WAMM because it is adjustable and has a Mark 5 tweeter. It also has superior mids. It's time alignment feature is equal to the WAMM. All in all I would rather have it than a WAMM even for the same price. When I saw the WAMM I new it was not for me. The M9 would not be for me either. I think speaker design is heading towards more active designs with features like built in subs, tri-amping, dsp, etc. It will be interesting to see the "flagship" that Magico come out with that folks like Toga would be interested in. He may change his tune when he sees it. One you are bitten it's hard not to succumb to the high end fever. p.s. If I am understanding correctly since the crossover is adjustable, identical amps would not be needed. Thanks for the compliment concerning my XVX. For me it's the perfect speaker. But I am sure that the new scaled down Magico flagship will rival or eclipse the XVX. ____________________ Charles Updated System Most recent updates: AQ Diamond USB replaces AQ Coffee; Wilson Audio Specialties Alexx replaced by Wilson Audio Specialties XVX Chronosonic; new subwoofer crossover; new Galaxy Grey Thors Hammer Amps: McIntosh 1.25KW’s (3) set on floor on custom made cultured marble slabs Preamp and DAC: McIntosh D1100 Sources: McIntosh MCD1100 SACD player, MVP881 BR player, MVP851 DVD player, MR87 tuner, Marantz 510LV Laser Disc player, ASUS laptop USB (JRiver Media Center 23) Speakers: Wilson Audio Specialties XVX Chronosonic Sub-woofer: Wilson Audio Specialties Thor’s Hammer (1) horizontal lie and Wilson Watch Controller (abbr: WC) Cables main system: Audioquest Wel Signature speaker cables and balanced IC (preamp to amps); Wel Signature AES/EBU balanced digital IC for CD playback; Audioquest Diamond optical (1) for tuner, (1) for BR player, and (1) for LD player for total of (3); Diamond USB cable; McIntosh MCT cable for SACD playback; Dragon power cords (5 HC cords and 3 source cords for total of 8); Thunder HC power cord for tuner; cables for DVD player not listed Cables subwoofer system: Audioquest Redwood speaker cable (1); Wolf balanced subwoofer IC from WC to amp; Wind balanced IC from preamp to WC; Hurricane HC (2) and Dragon HC (1) power cords Power conditioners: Audioquest Niagara 7000 (1) and Niagara 5000 (3); (4) dedicated 20-amp lines with no. 10 wire straight out of fuse box Cabinet: Double Custom Woodwork & Design (CWD) solid walnut cabinet on large casters; holds all sources and preamp; also, Niagara 7000; 11 feet minimum distance from speakers Acoustic Treatments: Room and Echo Tunes AC: Dedicated to this room only, an ultra-high efficiency and quiet recently installed Ruud split system 3-ton heat pump. Room (mancave): 40’L x 15.5’W A-frame; max ceiling height 8’ min 5’; wall within wall construction built of 2 x 6’s; built over garage with custom hardwood floor with gym seal with over 40 Lowes stiffened wooden I-beams supporting floor; complete isolation from rest of house |
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Although I can't prove it, I believe this ambiance effect centered around 7 kHz would have zero affect on the time alignment feature of the XVX. I really desired the time alignment feature, especially its adjust ability. The time alignment is about first arrival time, which would not be affected by the rear tweeter output. Although the XVX weighs in at 685 lbs which is quite heavy, it comes in pieces. The woofer bin probably weighs in at 450-500 lbs. Getting a 1,000 pound 750,000 dollar object up any kind of steps could result in a disadvantageous outcome. What would the M9 weigh in at with a conventional aluminium build? 1,500 pounds?? At some point weight does become a factor, a tipping point. The WAMM comes in at 900 lbs but again comes in pieces. However, the WAMM is impractical. It is too tall and too large. Wilson acknowledges this and at 850,000 dollars it is unaffordable to all but a very few. The wonder of the XVX is you get a speaker competitive with the WAMM significantly lighter, more compact, and at one third the price. The XVX mids are new and the rear tweeter is adjustable. Although 329,000 dollars is expensive, I view the XVX quite a bargain. For me I would rather have my XVX/Thor system, than a WAMM system. My single Thor will have as much output as the WAMM subs combined and more low end authority. I want the new alnico mids and the adjustable rear Mark 5 tweeter. The build quality of the XVX is superior to the WAMM because of the new materials used and the new better capacitors. Best Charles |
Sorry Charles, I don't understand the logic here, but we can leave it at that.
BTW, the M9 weight is 1000 lbs (no need to guess it's published). It is mainly CF not aluminum, and it does ship in several parts. |
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Best, Charles |
I dont know how you can knock a speaker design for not having rear ambience drivers. It's not the magico MO.
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This might be the necessary motivation for me to buy. a few lottery tickets. I haven't bought any in over 20 years. I am afraid the $270.00 I won the last time won't be near enough.
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I always thought the purpsose of a loud speker system was to accurately portray what is recorded. Be it a disc , LP, Digital Stream, master tape, etc. Why them would you want to add anomalies to the sound by having rear facing drivers. Now if you want to create a concert hall experience out of todays dry to articulate recordings I can agree with you. But wouldn't it be nice to turn that feature on or off. You might as well by the best speakers you can afford and add either analog or digital processing to get the final sound you like. Whats the difference between electronic and acoustical manipulation? It just depends on the degree of sophistication and application and whether or not you like the final results.
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So Magico is making these plutocratic bespoke M9 speakers for Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg and Larry Ellison.
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I would hope is to improve the state of the art and to fix short comings they have in their other speakers first. Using new materials is always an expensive undertaking at first. Sometimes what you design on paper and what think will work, won't! So you have to build one to see for sure. Its like Magnaplanar building a 30.7. Or Klipsch building a Jubilee or Roger Russell building the IDS column with out using crossovers. Imagine applying Wolfs speaker technology to a full range 4 inch driver and using it in Rogers full range column.
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Sorry, couldn't resist given the names in question. Plutocratic, spot on! |
The M9 seems to be made to go with the new SAT TT/TA combination (~$240K). Am guessing the SAT will see slow sales until someone announces their new $60K cartridge. A mere $13K cartridge would be so unfitting. ;)
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