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joeinid 06-13-2012 12:29 AM

TAD CR-1's - Just Beautiful with Burmester 911mk3 mono amps ...
 
I thought my CR-1's were pretty special before I hooked up my Burmester amps. But now I am blown away how insane these "little" guys are performing. At times, I felt they may have been a little forward. But now I realize they are very revealing of everything upstream. I know system matching is important, but until you live it and hit a combination that just flat out exceeds anything you have heard before, it can be breathtaking. Well here I sit cranking the CR-1's with the 911mk3 monos and I am in awe. There are some room and system tweaks I can do, but right now I am :banana:- one happy banana.

JJinID 06-13-2012 01:18 AM

Awesome Joe - great to hear it and very happy for you! :thumbsup:

joeinid 06-13-2012 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJinID (Post 323168)
Awesome Joe - great to hear it and very happy for you! :thumbsup:

Thanks JJ,

I appreciate it very much.

jdandy 06-13-2012 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeinid (Post 323153)
I thought my CR-1's were pretty special before I hooked up my Burmester amps. But now I am blown away how insane these "little" guys are performing. At times, I felt they may have been a little forward. But now I realize they are very revealing of everything upstream. I know system matching is important, but until you live it and hit a combination that just flat out exceeds anything you have heard before, it can be breathtaking. Well here I sit cranking the CR-1's with the 911mk3 monos and I am in awe. There are some room and system tweaks I can do, but right now I am :banana:- one happy banana.

Joe.......I can feel your joy. I am very happy for you.


http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/q.../HappyFace.jpg

joeinid 06-13-2012 01:34 AM

Dan,

Thank you. I think my dedicated outlets brought the goods and really helped everything out.

jdandy 06-13-2012 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeinid (Post 323176)
Dan,

Thank you. I think my dedicated outlets brought the goods and really helped everything out.

Joe.......You know the old saying. Nothing is stronger than the weakest link. So true. :thumbsup:

Jerome W 06-13-2012 02:05 AM

Joe,

I'm very happy for you too. Your joy is palpable. :thumbsup:
So, what will you do with the Dart ? :D

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bart 06-13-2012 02:13 AM

Joe, enjoy all your hi fi pearls fully!
You've gathered some of the finest gear in the world. :thumbsup:

joeinid 06-13-2012 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C220MC275 (Post 323204)
Joe,

I'm very happy for you too. Your joy is palpable. :thumbsup:
So, what will you do with the Dart ? :D

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Jerome,

I am seriously thinking about selling the Dartzeel (although it works beautifully with the CJ GAT) and possibly the CJ Premier 350. I don't see myself swapping gear too often and I hate to see everything just sit there.

I need a stand out, stellar source. Either a Burmester 111 or cd/sacd/dac. AMR, Playback Designs, MSB dac or M2Tech dac. I do not know yet.

joeinid 06-13-2012 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bart (Post 323206)
Joe, enjoy all your hi fi pearls fully!
You've gathered some of the finest gear in the world. :thumbsup:

Bart,

Thank you. I am starting to focus on a few core pieces and enjoying that gear more. Too many pieces gets a little overwhelming. If I had more room it would not be a problem.

Jerome W 06-13-2012 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeinid

Jerome,

I am seriously thinking about selling the Dartzeel (although it works beautifully with the CJ GAT) and possibly the CJ Premier 350. I don't see myself swapping gear too often and I hate to see everything just sit there.

I need a stand out, stellar source. Either a Burmester 111 or cd/sacd/dac. AMR, Playback Designs, MSB dac or M2Tech dac. I do not know yet.

Joe, the Playback is stunning.

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joeinid 06-13-2012 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C220MC275

Joe, the Playback is stunning.

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Ooooooh that's great to know. From all reports, that seems like a great unit.

jdebonth 06-13-2012 06:15 AM

Burmester + TAD = :chillin:

howiebrou 06-13-2012 08:13 AM

Congrats Joe!

Remember the playback has a special connector for the Dart preamp :scratch2:

howie

cmalak 06-13-2012 08:45 AM

Congrats Joe:thumbsup: Enjoy the 911 monos!

joeinid 06-13-2012 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdebonth (Post 323257)
Burmester + TAD = :chillin:

Just incredible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by howiebrou (Post 323277)
Congrats Joe!

Remember the playback has a special connector for the Dart preamp :scratch2:

howie

Thanks Howie. I know, but I can't keep everything :scratch2:.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmalak (Post 323284)
Congrats Joe:thumbsup: Enjoy the 911 monos!

Thanks Cyril. I am.

jdandy 06-13-2012 12:26 PM

I spotted Joe early this morning..........


http://umazzing.com/wp-content/uploa...-joy-goals.jpg

Puma Cat 06-13-2012 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeinid (Post 323222)
Ooooooh that's great to know. From all reports, that seems like a great unit.

In your price range, I would go with the Playback Designs. It's both a superb Universal disc playar and will support "streaming" digital files up to 384 KHz. Plus it sounds fantastic.

jdebonth 06-13-2012 12:40 PM

Joe, for your source component, do you mainly play CD's, do you plan to use a macmini, or a dedicated music server such as the Aurender?

Wait, aren't you getting the 111?

Jerome W 06-13-2012 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdandy
I spotted Joe early this morning..........

Dan,

Good one !

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joeinid 06-13-2012 04:59 PM

Dan,

I'm still wiped out, but the music was flowing "all night long" to quote Lionel Ritchie :)

joeinid 06-13-2012 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puma Cat (Post 323366)
In your price range, I would go with the Playback Designs. It's both a superb Universal disc playar and will support "streaming" digital files up to 384 KHz. Plus it sounds fantastic.

The PB design seems like a great unit. :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdebonth (Post 323368)
Joe, for your source component, do you mainly play CD's, do you plan to use a macmini, or a dedicated music server such as the Aurender?

Wait, aren't you getting the 111?

Joost,

Once I am done ripping my cds to a music server, I will have less and less need for a good transport or player unless I start buying more SACDs because of the content. I am seriously looking at the 111 but don't have any reports on it's sound or how well it works as a preamp. If the preamp section is as good or close enough to my 077, then all is good. It's fun to look around.

jdandy 06-13-2012 07:57 PM

Joe.......The Burmester Reference 111 Musiccenter includes a fully functional preamplifier unit that serves as the central element of your sound system with three analogue and six digital inputs. The preamplifier in the 111 consists of balanced circuitry with a fully DC-coupled signal path and no coupling capacitors. This music server should easily provide your new 911 Mk3 mono blocks with the control functions you need for any source, and the Burmester signal quality demanded by your amplifiers.

Some other interesting things I discovered about the Burmester 111 are quite interesting. The high-resolution 7" display was originally conceived as a display for use in the aviation industry, and used in the Airbus A380. This attention to high quality ensures a long and reliable service life. Also, the two 1TB hard drives are SSD solid state drives, with one drive as a mirrored back up to ensure no loss of music files should a drive failure occur. What I found very impressive is the Burmester 111 also includes an internal uninterruptible power supply (UPS). This ensures your data remains safe in the event of a power outage. The server will undergo a controlled system shutdown with the aid of the UPS, ensuring protection of your music files. Of course all of the amazing features found in the Burmester Reference 111 Musiccenter come at a premium price, $50k MSRP.


http://www.acfaudio.nl/image/product...c_server_3.jpg

Puma Cat 06-13-2012 08:02 PM

While the MBL 111 is impressive, I doubt that it's preamp section is as good as a GAT's

joeinid 06-13-2012 08:10 PM

Dan,

The specs, looks and functionality of the 111 are amazing. It would certainly cover ALL my musical needs quite nicely. I am hoping the preamp section is reference quality like they say it is, the same as my 077 is what I've been told. Kind of hard to believe but even if it's close, I could be very happy. I'd like to use that as my only source, well maybe an MR88 as well :yes:. As the unit get into users hands, I am dying for some feedback. We'll see. My 077 seems like a little overkill for just 1 or 2 sources but it does sound superb.

I am looking forward to hearing/seeing/reading more about the 111.


:D



Quote:

Originally Posted by jdandy (Post 323580)
Joe.......The Burmester Reference 111 Musiccenter includes a fully functional preamplifier unit that serves as the central element of your sound system with three analogue and six digital inputs. The preamplifier in the 111 consists of balanced circuitry with a fully DC-coupled signal path and no coupling capacitors. This music server should easily provide your new 911 Mk3 mono blocks with the control functions you need for any source, and the Burmester signal quality demanded by your amplifiers.

Some other interesting things I discovered about the Burmester 111 are quite interesting. The high-resolution 7" display was originally conceived as a display for use in the aviation industry, and used in the Airbus A380. This attention to high quality ensures a long and reliable service life. Also, the two 1TB hard drives are SSD solid state drives, with one drive as a mirrored back up to ensure no loss of music files should a drive failure occur. What I found very impressive is the Burmester 111 also includes an internal uninterruptible power supply (UPS). This ensures your data remains safe in the event of a power outage. The server will undergoe a controlled system shutdown with the aid of the UPS, ensuring protection of your music files. Of course all of the amazing features found in the Burmester Reference 111 Musiccenter come at a premium price, $50k MSRP.


http://www.acfaudio.nl/image/product...c_server_3.jpg


joeinid 06-13-2012 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puma Cat (Post 323583)
While the MBL 111 is impressive, I doubt that it's preamp section is as good as a GAT's

Hopefully close enough .... :scratch2:

cmalak 06-13-2012 08:18 PM

Joe...I have been meaning to ask how the GAT compares to the 077 driving the 911 monos? My guess is the 077 is the better match but curious to know your thoughts.

LordoftheRingsEE 06-13-2012 08:19 PM

---Wow, this ain't High End, it's Ultra-High End!

* That Burmester MBL 111 Music Server/Preamp, with "aviation" features! :cool:

jdandy 06-13-2012 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeinid (Post 323587)
My 077 seems like a little overkill for just 1 or 2 sources but it does sound superb.

Joe.......Overkill is an elusive term. In my humble opinion it does not apply to desire, joy, or satisfaction. Live your dream.

Rayooo 06-13-2012 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeinid (Post 323590)
Hopefully close enough .... :scratch2:

I'd never have expected to hear the phrase "close enough" around here. :D :lmao::lmao: :D

Ritmo 06-13-2012 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmalak (Post 323594)
Joe...I have been meaning to ask how the GAT compares to the 077 driving the 911 monos? My guess is the 077 is the better match but curious to know your thoughts.

Great question Cyril. :thumbsup:

Mike

joeinid 06-13-2012 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmalak (Post 323594)
Joe...I have been meaning to ask how the GAT compares to the 077 driving the 911 monos? My guess is the 077 is the better match but curious to know your thoughts.


Cyril,

I do not want to say this yet because of the short time with the amps but I think you were/are correct about the 077 matching better with the 911 monos. I have a feeling that because the 911 only accept XLR cables, using an adapter is not the ideal solution. There are some discussions going on in regards to how the RCA, single ended output from the GAT is interfacing with the XLR only balanced inputs of the 911's. I do not think this is an optimal connection and do not yet know if I am getting the full performance that way. The 077 is simply superb on the 911's. There is no forwardness, it is even across the board. The CR-1's simply disappear. With the GAT, while it is extremely enjoyable, I can tell something seems forced and more forward. I do not know how to fully describe what I am hearing yet but the 077 is certainly interfacing better with the 911's.

On the other hand, I simply love to death the GAT with my Dartzeel 108. That combination is breathtaking as well as the 077/911 combo. A different flavor for sure but equally satisfying. I am sure two Dartzeel 108 amps run as mono with my GAT is and will be a force to reckon with. Will that match up take place? Sadly not in the foreseeable future but I would love to try it. The 911's are fuller and ballsier than the Dart but can be just as satisfying when the Dart is used with the GAT.

Whew, confused?

joeinid 06-13-2012 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayooo (Post 323601)
I'd never have expected to hear the phrase "close enough" around here. :D :lmao::lmao: :D

I can't believe I said that myself but I am at the point where I can pick anything from my "closet of toys" and enjoy the heck out of them.

:music:

cmalak 06-13-2012 08:41 PM

Joe...thanks for the response. I am sure either combo (077/911 monos vs. GAT/Dartzeel) is killer SOTA sound :thumbsup: A big congrats again.

joeinid 06-13-2012 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdandy (Post 323599)
Joe.......Overkill is an elusive term. In my humble opinion it does not apply to desire, joy, or satisfaction. Live your dream.

Well said Dan. Everything is coming together quite nicely.

Puma Cat 06-13-2012 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmalak (Post 323617)
Joe...thanks for the response. I am sure either combo (077/911 monos vs. GAT/Dartzeel) is killer SOTA sound :thumbsup: A big congrats again.

Good points, Cyril. Joe has got an embarrasment of riches right now! I think we're at the level where it's like comparing fine single-malt scotches. Do you want Talisker or Lagavulin or Glenmorangie tonight? All depends on what you're in the mood for.

For me, cartridges for the TT are like that.

jfray 06-13-2012 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeinid (Post 323587)
Dan,

The specs, looks and functionality of the 111 are amazing. It would certainly cover ALL my musical needs quite nicely. I am hoping the preamp section is reference quality like they say it is, the same as my 077 is what I've been told. Kind of hard to believe but even if it's close, I could be very happy. I'd like to use that as my only source, well maybe an MR88 as well :yes:. As the unit get into users hands, I am dying for some feedback. We'll see. My 077 seems like a little overkill for just 1 or 2 sources but it does sound superb.

I am looking forward to hearing/seeing/reading more about the 111.


:D


I would go for the 111 / 911 combination..... this is how I have setup the my system (MCD1100 / MC601's) and it sounds great. Let us know what you decide!! :D

joeinid 06-13-2012 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfray (Post 323671)
I would go for the 111 / 911 combination..... this is how I have setup the my system (MCD1100 / MC601's) and it sounds great. Let us know what you decide!! :D

Josh,

Thank you! No one is more eager than I but supply for the 111 will be short for a while. I am sure user reviews will be slow to trickle in but hopefully soon we should get more details.

bart 06-14-2012 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdandy (Post 323580)
Joe.......The Burmester Reference 111 Musiccenter includes a fully functional preamplifier unit that serves as the central element of your sound system with three analogue and six digital inputs. The preamplifier in the 111 consists of balanced circuitry with a fully DC-coupled signal path and no coupling capacitors. This music server should easily provide your new 911 Mk3 mono blocks with the control functions you need for any source, and the Burmester signal quality demanded by your amplifiers.

Some other interesting things I discovered about the Burmester 111 are quite interesting. The high-resolution 7" display was originally conceived as a display for use in the aviation industry, and used in the Airbus A380. This attention to high quality ensures a long and reliable service life. Also, the two 1TB hard drives are SSD solid state drives, with one drive as a mirrored back up to ensure no loss of music files should a drive failure occur. What I found very impressive is the Burmester 111 also includes an internal uninterruptible power supply (UPS). This ensures your data remains safe in the event of a power outage. The server will undergo a controlled system shutdown with the aid of the UPS, ensuring protection of your music files. Of course all of the amazing features found in the Burmester Reference 111 Musiccenter come at a premium price, $50k MSRP.


http://www.acfaudio.nl/image/product...c_server_3.jpg

I was wondering if there is a surround through function in the 111 as in Burmester's other (pre-)amps. That would make this unit even more complete!

bzr 06-14-2012 04:00 AM

Joe, I'm happy that you're happy & happy is as happy was with both systems.:D
At the mo I really wanted to give you some feedback on the MSB side of things as a controlling pre-amp & dac, it will happen for me but another 3 wk's to get the build that I want & in-home trial.
For you from my point of view, that would be the synergy thing, "111 oooh yeah" in a Barry White accent. Then it all gets boring because you have it .......:yahoo::yeeea::whistle::naughty: :naughty:


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