Integrated amp suggestions.
 

I am again looking for another integrated amplifier (for a different system)…this time something relatively modest as it will be running a pair of B&W 805S. Price point is around the $ 2k range. Anyone have any integrated favourites for this job ? Source will be various digital content from a DAC.

Any special brand?

I am fairly open…..

I've always thought there was a great synergy between my Bryston B-60R and B&W CDM1 SE setup, so that may be worth checking out.

Preference in terms of tube vs. SS? Consider used or only new?

Going to the used market here are a few suggestions, 2 SS and 2 tube:
McIntosh MA6500
Marantz K1 Pearl Edition
Cary SLI-80
Manley Labs Stingray

I've owned both the Mac and the Cary and was quite happy with those. :D

I used to own the 805S for several years. From my experience, tube will work better.

No one here ever talks about Musical Fidelity - but this British company makes exceptional, modestly priced integrated amplifiers, CD players and a variety of other very good to excellent equipment.

Over the years, I've owned several of their products and they are very, very good at their price points.

A good choice would be a used A-5 or A-5.5 - see the review on 6 Moons at: 6moons audio reviews: Musical Fidelity A5 CDP*& Integrated

These integrated amps are available used at well under $2,000, are very well made and possess prodigious clean and pure power. They include a very good phono stage and sound terrific.


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.. this might be a viable choice...

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Rock, Absolutely wonderful amp, and a worthy replacement for the outstanding E-550. You have really come up with a world class suggestiion.

But, the guy asked for recommendations on $2,000 integrated amps and you have come up with one that costs about $12,000 new - If you can find any in the $2,000 range, I'll take two dozen, and give him one of them for free! :yes:

Julian...the A5 integrated with its matching A5 CD player was my entree into high-end audio with my Thiel 2.4s. I agree. Great integrated amp. However, I would pair it up with a speaker that is a bit on the warm side, which the 805S may be but I am not familiar with it, so don't know.

Thanks for all of the suggestions guys ! To answer a few questions – new or used is fine by me although I do prefer either S/S or possibly a hybrid. Trying to avoid full on tubes at this point.

Some ideas I have been kicking around include the Unico Seconda, Roksan K2, Creek Destiny 2 and I like the MF gear as well. I have had good luck with Roksan before but never tried Unico, Creek or MF. Open to other ideas as well…..

If I was spending my money i would buy a Pass Labs integrated int30.5 (class A so rich sound like tubes) or Conrad Johnson CA200. Or Accuphase or Luxman if not an American brand.

I love this thread as I'm also looking for an integrated !
Very informative !
Keeps them coming guys !

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Did someone listen to the Brystons B60 and B100 ?

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Pathos Classic One. Great sound from this gorgeous looking amp.

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Oooopps.. my bad.. I missed that... :tears:

So let me re-adjust my aim...

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Would second this as an option to look at.

I run the A5 with my B&W CDM 1NTs in a small family room - vg synergy and the A5 does matches well to the Nautilus tweeter, wonderous bass control as well.

The new Croft integrated valve hybrid should be a great buy:

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These products get a lot of cred at my favorite English audio forum.

Forgot to mention new decware zen torii. I demoed it. Sounded awesome. With 90db+ efficient speakers it is a great buy.

Have you heard the creek? If so what are your thoughts?

Have you considred the Naim XS? The Exposure 2010 got great review in stereophile if that means anything. My buddy heard it too, and loved it, however like me he needs a HTBP.

Never heard a Creek before. I have not heard the Naim XS but did enjoy a Nait 5i in the past although I found Roksan to be preferable. Have yet hear to an Exposure either.

Lot's of choices out there.....

Lakesailor, not sure if you can stretch your budget, but there's one of these beauties over in the "selling audio gear" section right now...:thumbsup:

+1 on the Cary.:music:

Stretching the budget would be one thing....doubling it would be another. I like the CJ and would love to try one however it is roughly twice what I am looking to spend as this will be an integrated in a secondary system running a pair of stand mounts.

Thx for the suggestion Julian....I ended up following it and just purchased an MF from a dealer in Quebec. This is the second time I have basically found an NIB integrated. I am looking forward to my new MF arriving...

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Nice!

Give us the full report after you've had a chance to set it up.

Thanks Erik...it arrived yesterday so now I can add some comments on it….

I found this MF A1008 from a dealer in Quebec…this is the second time I have essentially found a NIB from a dealer in this Province. In this case I was told it was mostly on static display but otherwise NIB….the A1008 arrived in full factory packaging with most items still factory sealed. I bought the A1008 mostly from a positive previous experience with an MF kW500 paired with B&W 805S (also what I will be using) and the onboard DAC was something I would use.

Although most have stated the A1008 is an updated version of the kW500 comparing the two in person reminds me of the old Group C rally cars and how they had to make 500 “production” versions for homologation qualification. In this case comparing the A1008 to the kW500 is kind of a similar comparison with the A1008 serving as the “production” versions while the Kw500 would be the full on ltd. edition Group C rally car. When you see it in person you will know what I mean. The A1008 has all of the same attributes of the kw500 but in a smaller scale. Obviously the A1008 is a more recent design so it has the onboard DAC and a few other features as well.

After several hours of listening so far today…


I was reminded immediately of the need for tubes to warm up and more so in this case as I don’t know if this unit was ever used before, and if so, for how long. …I also don’t know about burn in time as this varies with every component…After a good hour of warm up time, I sat down with it and “wicked it up” (as the Brits would say) There is no question that MF pairs very well with B&W…I could sense immediately the increased dynamics and the ability to “rock” with the 805S…the bass output was not like anything I had experienced with my 805’s in my current system and reminded me more of listening to them on the MF Kw 500…

The imaging is very precise, more focussed then what I had been using previously in this system…at this point I don’t know that the depth is there but I suspect that is more a case of more burn in time required. Detail and articulation is very good, I actually heard a few details in some of the music that I had not heard before. That was a surprise to me. It is too early to tell at this point where it excels and what the overall strengths are, and likewise what the tradeoffs are.

The A1008 definitely has a wide soundstage compared to my McIntosh 6900 and does a very good job placing the instruments around that soundstange. Listening to some ‘Coltrane I was hugely impressed with how well it separated the Sax from the piano almost as if you could picture two musicians up on stage opposite each other in a jazz club. I also was hugely impressed at how well it articulates the horns...the sax is simply incredible. It is also very strong with the strings and has good detail. I am not totally formulated yet on how it does with the piano, although that is always a strong spot of the B&W’s

Although I still have not really heard enough to totally feel out the A1008 early impressions are that the upper end grip and overall control are quite impressive…it does a nice job hanging onto the highs without any excess brightness whatsoever. It somewhat reminds me of Roksan integrateds in how well it does this, although I suspect in large part it is on account of the dynamics afforded from the added power. The A1008 has tons of current and there is no question that the 805S responds and comes alive with the added power.


To date I am finding it very listenable. It’s definitely on the laid back side and I would not label it as forward or aggressive. At the same token I would not at this point suggest it has the same level of attack as the Roksan or in particular the Naim I have also had previously. It seems more like a naturally aspirated large displacement engine all about torque that is happy to idle along and chew up anything you throw at it. It does a nice job with vocals and overall I have at this point found nothing to fault. It reminds me of the first time I heard the MF Kw500 and when listening critically I found that the amplifier nicely takes itself out of the equation and leaves the music behind

I hope this all doesn’t sound too rosy I can’t say I am bouncing off the walls in glee, mostly just taking things one step at a time and thus far not finding anything that stands out adversely. I am going to try and “play the tubes out of it” for the next two days to see if any problems show up.

I will also say that that the onboard DAC does the job nicely…no complaints so far. I expect feeding this thing a decent source would be very interesting. So far it is 80 lbs of very enjoyable integrated amplifier. Only major complaint so far is that OEM power cord is unbelievable cheap (fortunately the supplied dual mains cables are much nicer) and also the remote control is fairly unimpressive for a unit with a $5K MSRP. The remote volume adjustment could also be a tad more sensitive…..it’s effective at making large scale volume adjustments but less adept at small increments up and down. All for now….. Off to listen some more…..
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Thanks for sharing the good write up.

I too enjoy my MF A5 Int immensely with my B&W CDM 1NTs and what you have described parallels the synergy I hear with my rig.

I know the A5 is the much jr offering compared to the Kw500...if I could only win the lottery :D

I've also read that B&Ws seem to match better with SS amplification, but will admit that was something I read on the internet....:scratch2:

Thanks for sharing. I recently went through the same thing for the PM1 Speakers and JL Audio Sub. I started out really wanting the Roksan Caspian M2, but didn't think it was worth the import price of $2,800. Then I bought a used Bryston B100, but returned it and ended up with separates: A new PS Audio Perfectwave DAC/Pre amp (there was a reason for going so high in price) and two amps to choose from. The first amp was a used Conrad Johnson MF 2500 and the second was a used Wyred 4 Sound ST500. I ended up keeping the Wyred 4 Sound amp, it seemed to suit the system better.

I bought the way more expensive PS Audio PW DAC because I needed a DAC anyway and wanted to go with music off my computer/server. The PS Audio PW DAC is one of the best from what I can tell.

Great sub $2k Integrated Amp

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While the HK has a decent sound and good power reserve......personally it has a cheap build quality to it in the front......the buttons and volume control especially are the same as the ones they use on their $399 HK 5.1/7.1 CH receivers.

Tube sounds
 

Hi Lakesailor i sold my Bow Technologies Wazoo XL to a b&w 804 owner and he is very happy he had doubts that it wouldn't do the job so i loaned him the unit for a weekend phoned me after a couple of hours to buy be careful the Wazoo XL not the Wazoo wich is only 50 watts per channel the XL is 75 watts per channel.

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Devialet D-Premier :: Integrated Amplifier
 

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That one sounds great.

Luxman Class A

Bryston's smallest integrated would be very nice. Have owned their previous R-60RP and am sure their newest B50R model is quite as capable.
Bryston Limited: B60R Integrated Amplifier

I recently saw one of these amps, an Electrocompaniet ECI-5, shall we say "around" for $1999 which is a bargain.

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