Bricasti Products to be disabled in ROON
 

Woah!! I just received an email from ROON saying they are cutting off the ability for any uncertified ROON ready product to be enabled in ROON as of Sept 21!

My Bricasti M21 is uncertified as was the M3. I have asked Bricasti if they are pursuing certification. If not, the network/ROON endpoint of the Bricasti products just went ‘poof’ with ROON.

This is a BIG deal for anyone who, like me, use the ROON endpoint networking capabilities of their Bricasti product.

It would force me to move my Silenzio back to my rack and use a USB cable (which I just sold). Anxious times until I hear from Brian at Bricasti.

Does the Bricasti support Airplay ?....could be a work around as Roon streams to Airplay devices, be it at lower quality.

No. That’s a non-starter from an SQ perspective.

Bricasti Products to be disabled in ROON
 

Apparently in order to become certified, a manufacturer has to send their product(s) to ROON and they do NOT get them back. Certification is free. If true, a steep ante to join the game.

Some Bricasti products are not the only products impacted by this.

Craig-

It seems this word is out. Tonight while trying to enact the 60 day Roon trial included with my Bryston BDP3 brought up the OPPS page at Roon. The response from Roon support will hopefully tell more.

I am sure I am not the only one who responded in a manner that let them know their new policy ‘for the customer’ was anything but.

Wow! Quite unsettling news. I haven’t received any email from Roon concerning my M1..... Please let us know what Brian says about this.

The M1 is certified Roon ready!

Yes I’m aware... Just feeling uncertain about this news.

I hope this “fallout” doesn’t lead to all Bricasti products being dropped by Roon.

Quite unreasonable that Roon doesn’t return the products back after they are done certifying them.

JRiver would work in place of Roon to maintain network capabilities. A thought I now have to think about and probably start planing for.

Some info from the Roon CTO that may be informative and provide some context:

Roon CTO:

"This change prevents manufacturers from signing the Roon Ready license agreements, obtaining our SDK, building hardware using our technology, and then skipping our certification/review process and releasing unfinished, unreviewed products straight to customers.

We don’t charge for certification, but going through our certification process is a hard requirement for manufacturers to use use our technology. It is the only way that we can maintain the quality + support level that people associate with Roon Ready.

A tiny minority of manufacturers have released uncertified devices. We have been communicating with manufacturers about this coming change for over a year, and have provided ample time for them to come into compliance, and most of them have."

and

"This is only about manufacturers who licensed the Roon Ready SDK from us commercially, then violated our license by skipping the Roon Ready certification process. It’s not very many manufacturers. We began communicating with manufacturers about this in 2018. They have had ample warning to sort things out."

There may be very practical reasons for this. As Roon adds new functionality, features and upgrades it's code base, having the product in-house will let Roon certify "Roon Ready" for future versions of Roon for existing products.

+1

Thanks Stephen - good post. I am a recent Roon convert - enjoying greatly.

We have an extensive Sonos network throughout the home, and it works very well with Roon, albeit no hi-res (newer Sonos will accept 24 bit though). It is interesting that older Sonos product (e.g. Play 1) show up as Roon tested, while newer ones (e.g. Port) show up as 'other'.

Yes, my Apple TV shows up as "Roon Tested" whereas my SOtM UltraNeo SMS-200 shows up as "Roon Ready".

Roon Ready only applies to networked devices using Roon’s RAAT protocol

On the Roon compatibility page, the M12 is listed as ready, and they have the device inhouse to test on new releases.

Question I would have, is the streamer board (ethernet -> DAC) the same in all the Bricasti devices? I know the DAC boards differ among the various devices, but is the hardware/firmware that runs the streamer section the same?

Here’s the solution, read the first post in this thread. https://community.roonlabs.com/t/a-f...devices/120426

It’s a bit long-winded, but the short of it is this:

“What does this all mean for me?

Existing Roon accounts using uncertified devices as of September 21 can request to keep all access to their currently owned uncertified Roon Ready devices before September 21st. Once access is granted, they will see no changes to their access or ability to enable/disable those devices.
All other Roon accounts will no longer be able to enable uncertified Roon Ready devices on/after September 21st.
So, how do I get the fix?

Fill out this form: https://zfrmz.com/hQNRXlk8iLiJaQeIN2Dv 844

Everyone, thanks for your feedback and for putting up with our growing pains. We really do appreciate that you are all passionate enough about Roon to voice your opinions.”

I have Roon problem Bricasti is working on. I have an M12 and I used LAN for streaming, RCA input for Phono, and XLR input for home theater. Prior to Roon update, if I was watching home theater on xlr, I could just select an album from Roon, hit play, and M12 automatically went to LAN input. After Roon update, this does not happen and volume goes straight though to speakers at ear splitting volume. I have a temporary work around by using a separate streamer and bricasti usb input. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of having a built in Ethernet streamer but can’t risk blowing my speakers and ears when I forget to switch inputs after watching TV. Bricasti team has been great but they’re working with third party with no control.

Good luck! That is clearly not a good situation. Brian will no doubt work to help you but as you said, can’t control ROON.

It is a different system to be sure. None of the other inputs will auto-select, but when you click go on the roon control app, it will switch to ethernet, and start play.

Seems like there was a way to have a set starting volume. I need to look into that.

(Edit) look on page 8 of the M12 manual, it lists a "reference" function, where you can store a volume level for an input. It specifically lists the home theater vs analog playback as a possible use. (edit)

Lxgreen... Welcome to AA! :wave:

Thanks, I think the reference option was put in to do what you say when switching from theater bypass and other inputs. Bricasti updated the software so you didn’t need to do this. Damon Gramont, VP sales at Bricasti lives close to me and actually was trouble shooting with me but he was stumped as well so took the issue back to HQ. that’s how they determined it was a Roon issue. I sent a note to Roonlabs on their forum but haven’t heard anything yet.

ROON ready
 

Bricasti is ROON ready.

:thumbsup:

The Bricasti M21 is not officially certified as ROON Ready.

Check their webpage
 

According to their webpage it is.

http://https://bricasti.com/en/consumer/m21.php

No where in that webpage and the three links it offers do I read "Roon ready".

Here is the Roon link to Roon Ready and Roon Tested Bricasti products.

https://roonlabs.com/partners/bricasti

Bricasti Products to be disabled in ROON
 

https://roonlabs.com/partners/bricasti

Only the M1, M3, M12 DACs and M5 Bridge.

BUT, talk to Bricasti if you are considering an M21. They may figure something out.

I spoke to Bricasti a few weeks ago about the M21 and it being Roon Ready. They said if you order one just have the dealer request that it be setup for Roon and Bricasti will take care of it. Bricasti said that each time they have a M21 ready to be to be sent to Roon for certification they sell it. I don’t blame them for making customer orders priority. Every manufacturer that sends a device to Roon for certification it is on there dime and Roon keeps all the equipment.

Like I said. They may find a way.

Great company.

Time to drop ROON and look elsewhere.

It depends on your position. I’ve asked myself a few time now if I could achieve better sound if I were to migrate away from Roon. I like the interface so well I’ve never pursued that path other than to ponder. I guess it comes down to a balance between software and hardware. AND cost of course.

Bricasti Products to be disabled in ROON
 

Many have found better sound using HQ Player with ROON. It’s extra expense and not straight forward.

My server offers the ability to use ROON core combined with Squeeze as the Player. That definitely provides better sound and gives me the best of both worlds.

Roon has improved SQ with the 1.8 release. It’s still a trial and error process to see which endpoints and sw will work best for you.