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n_brio 04-25-2021 03:20 PM

Laptop to ? to Schiit dac
 
I use my laptop to play tidal and youtube adn have a ubs cable to the schiit dac.

Is the a way to make the signal from the pc cleaner.

I use the 82" tv as a screen to the laptop in my livingroom so i dont want a streamer had that befor but i want tidal an youtube on the tv and not the ipad.

Is there any thing that send the sound from the laptop thrue ethernet to a device that i dont know that is clean and the to the dac? and then i mean all sound from the computer.

Is there any device like that?

DVass13 04-25-2021 03:46 PM

Is there some audible issue you are trying to troubleshoot? Or do you just want to try to improve what is already good? The Yggdrasil A2 already has Schitt's Unison USB which handles USB perfectly well. The only thing that adding more components into the chain will do is add more chance for things to go wrong. I owned the Yggdrasil for a few years and tried putting Schitt's EITR in front of it (as well as another digital to digital converter) and I found no improvement.

I know there are others that will say you have to add in several esoteric pieces of equipment each with their own special power supplies and power cables and special signal cables linking everything together. Unless you have extra money that you are looking to spend and want to add complexity, I don't imagine this route will do much to give you a cleaner signal.

crwilli 04-25-2021 04:04 PM

The direct answer is Yes. This product would allow you to untether your laptop from your DAC. It becomes your endpoint and is connected via USB to your DAC and via Ethernet to your network.

I have zero experience with one but there are many reviews of them.

https://sotm-usa.com/products/sms-20...twork-player-1

Antonmb 04-25-2021 05:59 PM

And this: https://www.sonore.us/ultraRendu.html

crwilli 04-25-2021 06:19 PM

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W9TR 04-25-2021 09:16 PM

Or if you want to keep it low cost get a USB Vbus isolator (iFi makes a good one) and low noise linear power supply to drive it. About $50 for the USB isolator, another $100 for the linear power supply.

This will keep noise from your laptop/PC power supply from getting into the USB input and ultimately the signal ground on your DAC.

Puma Cat 04-25-2021 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DVass13 (Post 1037423)
I know there are others that will say you have to add in several esoteric pieces of equipment each with their own special power supplies and power cables and special signal cables linking everything together. Unless you have extra money that you are looking to spend and want to add complexity, I don't imagine this route will do much to give you a cleaner signal.

Yes, it will.

It will make a big difference.

Puma Cat 04-26-2021 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by W9TR (Post 1037450)
Or if you want to keep it low cost get a USB Vbus isolator (iFi makes a good one) and low noise linear power supply to drive it. About $50 for the USB isolator, another $100 for the linear power supply.

This will keep noise from your laptop/PC power supply from getting into the USB input and ultimately the signal ground on your DAC.

:thumbsup:

Puma Cat 04-26-2021 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crwilli (Post 1037426)
The direct answer is Yes. This product would allow you to untether your laptop from your DAC. It becomes your endpoint and is connected via USB to your DAC and via Ethernet to your network.

I have zero experience with one but there are many reviews of them.

https://sotm-usa.com/products/sms-20...twork-player-1

Bingo.

n_brio 04-26-2021 02:39 PM

The sMS-200ultra Neo or ultra rendu is just a roon end point, right? or can all sound from the pc go through it?

Puma Cat 04-26-2021 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by n_brio (Post 1037480)
The sMS-200ultra Neo or ultra rendu is just a roon end point, right? or can all sound from the pc go through it?

The SMS-200 UltraNeo and Sonore UltraRendu are devices known as a "network bridge". The principal function of a network bridge is to take network input from the music server, and convert it to a digital output that a DAC can accept; usually via a USB cable and interface.

The network bridge connects on the input end via a physical network connection (usually copper Ethernet, but could also be optical fiber) to a digital source of content e.g. a music server, NUC, Roon Nucleus (preferably located well away from the audio rack), then on the output end, to your DAC or "endpoint". The network bridge is then connected to your DAC.

Here's a graphic representation of a basic setup.
Some routers have some RJ45 Ethernet ports built-in, in which case, you can forego the Ethernet switch shown, and just connect an Ethernet cable from your music server to directly to the Router, and another Ethernet cable from the Router that runs "downstream" to the network bridge in the audio rack.

https://photos.imageevent.com/puma_c...10.35%20PM.jpg

Network bridges also generally have much better digital clocks than generic or consumer-grade networking devices, so you get better sound quality from using an audio-grade network bridge.

One of the most important things with respect to a simple setup like this is the quality of the power supplies used for the devices in the chain. Switch-mode power supplies are not good as they add leakage current to the chain of connections that results in an audible degradation of sound quality. Even the generic TP-link Ethernet switch shown above can be improved by using something as simple as Jameco Electronics Reliapro linear power supply for eleven bucks.

You can buy network bridges from a a coupla hundred bucks, e.g. a Raspberry pi-based one from Allo, etc., all the way to <$4K for an Auralic Aries G2 or dCS Network bridge.

A great place to start, though would be with a Sonore microRendu for $399.
https://www.sonore.us/microRendu.html.

Just be sure to get a good linear power supply for it. Small Green Computer sells some for devices in the price range of the microRendu for about $189 or so.

I use a network bridge from SoTM called the SMS-200 UltraNeo; it costs about $1200, so you can see there is a range of products with various price points along the way. Sonore also makes the ultraRendu which is an upgrade to the microRendu. Both are Roon-ready and will serve as a Roon endpoint, so you can stream content either from files resident on a hard drive or the Net via Tida or Qobuz from within Roon.

If you get something a bit better than the entry-level network bridges, consider a better power supply, too.

Ivan carries a line of really nice linear and very affordable power supplies that support two devices independently, from a company called Keces, and I use a Keces P3 for my SOtM SMS-200 UltraNeo. So, if you were to get say, a SOtM or UltraRendu, I would recommend the Keces P3 power supply for it from Ivan.

Hope this helps as an introduction.

n_brio 04-27-2021 03:00 AM

Puma Cat thank you for the explanation =)


Does your produkt support tidal connect?



And is it possible to “stream” all audio output from my pc to microRendu exactly like the usb output on the pc? What I mean is today I use the usb output from my pc to my dac but I want a device like the microRendu to play the audio from my pc to the dac. (from tidal, youtube, games and so on)

Or do i need Roon to play tidal?

Puma Cat 04-27-2021 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by n_brio (Post 1037503)
Puma Cat thank you for the explanation =)


Does your produkt support tidal connect?



And is it possible to “stream” all audio output from my pc to microRendu exactly like the usb output on the pc? What I mean is today I use the usb output from my pc to my dac but I want a device like the microRendu to play the audio from my pc to the dac. (from tidal, youtube, games and so on)

Or do i need Roon to play tidal?

As far as I understand it, you don't need Roon to stream Tidal. And yes, could "stream" all audio output from your pc to your DAC. If you don't use Roon, you'll need to use a streaming app.

The microRendu supports streaming content via the following protocols:
Mode #1 - SqueezeLite Output - This output works with any Logitech Media Server and compatible controllers. This output supports true gapless playback of PCM, DSD/DoP, and native DSD.

Mode #2 - ShairPort Output - This is an AirPlay emulator that utilizes streams sent to it from a compatible source. This output supports true gapless playback of PCM.

Mode #3 - MPD/DLNA Output:

Mode #3a - DLNA Output - This output utilizes streams from UPnP/DLNA servers and controllers. This output can be configured as an OpenHome renderer. This output supports true gapless playback of PCM, DSD/DoP, and native DSD.

Mode #3b - MPD Output - This output is intended to work with an SMB mount. This output supports true gapless playback of PCM, DSD/DoP, and native DSD.
Mode #3c - Songcast Output - This output accepts streams from your computer running Linn Songcast. The application is in Beta form.

Mode #4 - HQ Player NAA Output - This output utilizes streams from Signalyst's HQ Player running on your computer. Digital signal processing is performed by HQ Player and then asynchronously streamed to the Network Audio Adapter (NAA) output. This output supports true gapless playback of PCM, DSD/DoP, and native DSD.

Mode #5 - RoonReady Output - This output utilizes streams from Roon. This output supports true gapless playback of PCM, DSD/DoP, and native DSD.

Mode #6 - Spotify Connect Output - This output can be controlled by your computer or tablet running the Spotify application. This application is based on librespot - an open source client library for Spotify. The application is in Beta form.

Here is an article by Jesus of Sonore for using Tidal without Roon:
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/t...er-tidalqobuz/

You would connect your microRendu to your network at one end, and to your DAC via USB at its other end.

n_brio 04-27-2021 03:14 PM

Ok thank you i will check that :D:banana:

n_brio 05-11-2021 09:48 AM

so this is the way to setup microRendu?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdO4XxLeIq0

dkorbal 05-14-2021 11:08 AM

Just wanted to give a shout out for this thread and all who shared their knowledge. This is an area I have been considering tweaking in my system. Many of the products mentioned here I’ve researched in the past but I wasn’t sure big picture wise what was the best setup. You guys helped in making the picture become better focused. Well done. :thumbsup:

Puma Cat 05-14-2021 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n_brio (Post 1038218)
so this is the way to setup microRendu?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdO4XxLeIq0

No, this is a video on how to setup Remote Desktop in Windows 10.

Puma Cat 05-14-2021 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkorbal (Post 1038372)
Just wanted to give a shout out for this thread and all who shared their knowledge. This is an area I have been considering tweaking in my system. Many of the products mentioned here I’ve researched in the past but I wasn’t sure dig picture wise what was the best setup. You guys helped in making the picture become better focused. Well done. :thumbsup:

Doug,
I'm happy to help out with any questions you may have as I've been doing this for a while now, including with optical for my "long run" between server and network bridge or streamer. Feel free to post your questions here or PM me.

n_brio 05-20-2021 04:49 AM

But how do you setup to get the audio from games to the dac? I understand from roon but i want all audio from the pc.

Puma Cat 05-20-2021 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n_brio (Post 1038659)
But how do you setup to get the audio from games to the dac? I understand from roon but i want all audio from the pc.

Like this:
https://photos.imageevent.com/puma_c...10.35%20PM.jpg

n_brio 05-20-2021 02:52 PM

Sorry for not understand this :confused-18:

How do you setup the pc do you use a special program or does it show up in windows as a playbak device like this

https://8ylfd337evj32wz3l2begfi1-wpe...08/image-1.png

Puma Cat 05-20-2021 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n_brio (Post 1038679)
Sorry for not understand this :confused-18:

How do you setup the pc do you use a special program or does it show up in windows as a playbak device like this

https://8ylfd337evj32wz3l2begfi1-wpe...08/image-1.png

I use Roon at the music player software. Roon catalogs all the music files and send the files I want to listen to, to the network bridge (e.g. the microRendu), which then sends it on to the DAC.

W9TR 05-20-2021 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n_brio (Post 1038679)
Sorry for not understand this :confused-18:

How do you setup the pc do you use a special program or does it show up in windows as a playbak device like this

https://8ylfd337evj32wz3l2begfi1-wpe...08/image-1.png



If I understand what you want to do is run ALL your PC’s audio to a USB endpoint via ethernet, not just a specific audio application. Correct?

I’m not sure how to do it in a Win10 setup. Basically you would need something like a ‘virtual sound card’ that your PC would recognize and then connect to the USB endpoint. There may be one out there, but I haven’t found it.

Another approach would be to use the PSAudio LanRover which is USB to USB and looks like a USB audio device to your PC.

The other option is to use a good USB isolator and linear power supply and run your DAC directly from your PC, dispensing with all the intermediary stuff.

Puma Cat 05-21-2021 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W9TR (Post 1038705)
If I understand what you want to do is run ALL your PC’s audio to a USB endpoint via ethernet, not just a specific audio application. Correct?

I’m not sure how to do it in a Win10 setup. Basically you would need something like a ‘virtual sound card’ that your PC would recognize and then connect to the USB endpoint. There may be one out there, but I haven’t found it.

Another approach would be to use the PSAudio LanRover which is USB to USB and looks like a USB audio device to your PC.

The other option is to use a good USB isolator and linear power supply and run your DAC directly from your PC, dispensing with all the intermediary stuff.

Thanks, Tom. I was struggling to understand what n_brio was wanting to do, as well. Thanks for jumping in to help out. Cheers, mate. :thumbsup:

n_brio 05-21-2021 11:59 AM

W9TR that are exactly what I meant :banana:


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